Depending on which islamic website you visit islam means SUBMISSION. Many islamic apolgetics try to make it sound like peace. But for 1400 years the SYSTEM of islam has not been peaceful.

Yes I know a differnece between God and allah. God as I know him cares for his creation. allah is unknowable, undescribeable and doesnt care about us.

allah was the god of the Arabian peoples BEFORE muhammads birth.

http://www.inthenameofallah.org/Allah.html

http://www.inthenameofallah.org/Allah%20There%20is%20no%20god%20but%20he.html

I have study many local ‘religions’ and I know the differences to each of them. This includes Islam.

You foolishly claim that God can give birth what are you a wiccan? Silly boy.

Christians follow the teachings of Christ quite well. Are you following allah and muhammads teachings? Probably not.

If you take the time to study each religion properly… Christians believe in a different God than allah, budhists worship buddah, wiccans worship the goddess, and the list if religions goes on and on.

You really shoulds reconsider your propaganda that has been used before trying to piece all religions into believing the same ilah.

See? You don’t even know how to speak Arabic. Islam does NOT mean peace and is NOT taken from the Arabic word salam.

Many words can be derived from the same root, but they don’t necessarily have to have any similarity in their meaning.

The word Islam derives from the Arabic triconsonantal root sīn-lām-mīm (SLM [ س ل م ]).

Many different words are created from this root word by inserting different vowels between the three root consonants. Many English speakers wrongly assume that if two Arabic words share the same root word then their meanings are related when in reality the fact that some words share the same root word does not imply a relationship between the meanings of the words. For instance, all of these words are derived from the root S-L-M:

Islam اسلام Submission

Salam سلام Well-being/Peace

(Derivation of) Salama سلما The stinging of a snake or the tanning of the leather

Saleema سليما To be saved or to escape from danger (when refering to a female)

Saleem سليم To be saved or to escape from danger (when refering to a male)

Aslam اسلم To submit

Istaslama استسلاما To surrender

Musal مسل Undisputed

Tasleem تسليم To receive a salutation or becoming submitted

Hence, if the word Islam has something to do with the word Salam i.e. ‘Peace’, does that also mean that it must be related to the ‘stinging of the snake’ or ‘tanning the leather’?

But, hey, don’t take my word for it. Here’s a note from some educated Muslims:

http://www.msawest.net/islam/notislam/misconceptions.html#HEADING1

“as my friend said that “Allah is not God” then can he tell as that who is God and who Allah?”

Ye shall know them by their fruits…

“i bit you guys this guy knows nothing about Islam or any other religion…. that is funny for me ..”

Wrong again. I’ve got my Bible and my Qur’an sitting right here in front of me. To the left of that, I have several volumes from the History of al-Tabari as well as the Sirat Rasoul Allah written by ibn Ishaq.

I’m what you might call, “one of them thar’ religious scholars.”

“Christians beleave that “jesus is the son of God” i will accept it for aminute but i have question>>
why God did NOT gave brith to another son or daughter??”

Simple question, simple answer: Because Jesus already did all the work that was required. Now, answer me this: Why would God need another son or daughter if His “only begotten Son” had already fulfilled prophesy and the New Covenant?

But, besides that, your question is just silly. If a parent has only one child and decides not to have another, how does that negate the validity of the parent or the child? It doesn’t. So, once again, your question is just silly because it is logically flawed.

“and if “jesus id the son of God” which only christians beleaves NOR an other religion then why the christains are not following their own religion properly?….”

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”

By the way, that was Jesus speaking. Notice that He called God, “My Father.”

It’s not that the Christians have somehow misunderstood the Scriptures, but that Jesus declared Himself the Son of God on numerous occasions. Luke 22:70 comes immediately to mind:

— They all asked, “Are you then the Son of God?” He replied, “You are right in saying I am.”

Also, I find it interesting that the Qur’an, calls Jesus “The Messiah” on several occasions. Why? Because the Messiah IS the Son of God according to Jewish tradition and understanding at the time Christ was born. So, it makes no sense to call Jesus “The Messiah” if one does not believe Him to be the Son of God. That would be like calling a donkey a “burro,” and then trying to say that a “burro” is not a donkey. It’s just that stupid.

“there is only one Allah be we the humans(creatures) choosed defrent names for him like “Allah, God, Khuda and more but as i know there is not any other God or Allah he is the same that his made this word and create as ….”

Of course God goes by different names in different languages and cultures. But, if it is truly the same God, then it would have the same, exact attributes in all cultures and languages. This is just simply not the case. One big difference is that Jewish and Christian Scripture says that God cannot be tempted by evil and neither tempts anyone with evil; evil being understood as referring to immorality and sin. James 1:13 (c.f. Psalm 5:4-5; Habakkuk 1:13. Yet, the Qur’an teaches that Allah is the author of evil:

Verily, the hypocrites seek to deceive Allah, but it is He Who deceives them. And when they stand up for As-Salat (the prayer), they stand with laziness and to be seen of men, and they do not remember Allah but little. S. 4:142 Hilali-Khan

And (the unbelievers) schemed and planned, and Allah schemed also, and the best of schemers is Allah. S. 3:54

Are they then secure from Allah’s scheme (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah’s scheme (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99 Pickthall

Remember how the unbelievers schemed against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or to slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They scheme and plot, but the best of schemers is Allah. S. 8:30

And when We make people taste of mercy after an affliction touches them, lo! they devise schemes (makrun) against Our communication. Say: Allah is quicker to scheme (makran); surely Our apostles write down what you plan. S. 10:21

And those before them did indeed scheme (makara), but all scheming (al-makru) is Allah’s; He knows what every soul earns, and the unbelievers shall come to know for whom is the (better) issue of the abode. S. 13:42

So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme, while they perceived not. S. 27:50

The term for scheme in Arabic is makara which denotes one who is a deceiver, one who is conniving, a schemer. It is always used in a negative sense. Allah is thus seen as the best of deceivers, the premiere schemer and conniving one.

This is not simply a Christian perspective but one thoroughly endorsed by Muslim theologians as well.

There are many, many more differences, but to thoroughly delve into them would require more time and space than this limited comment format provides.

Cheers

I would only say few thing about islam, i dont know if those are wrong you decide it..

Islam is an arabic word which is taken from salam and that means peace….

so if islam means peace then i dont know that what will be the issue to accept islam as religion.

as my friend said that “Allah is not God” then can he tell as that who is God and who Allah?

i bit you guys this guy knows nothing about Islam or any other religion…. that is funny for me ..

Christians beleave that “jesus is the son of God” i will accept it for aminute but i have question>>
why God did NOT gave brith to another son or daughter??

and if “jesus id the son of God” which only christians beleaves NOR an other religion then why the christains are not following their own religion properly?….

there is only one Allah be we the humans(creatures) choosed defrent names for him like “Allah, God, Khuda and more but as i know there is not any other God or Allah he is the same that his made this word and create as ….

Muslims make fun of Christians and Christianity.

Deedat did…

The nutter at answering christianity does…

All it does is demonstrate that niether you nor muhammad have a clear idea about Christ.

Instead you’ll use any excuse for your attacks…

Allah is not God.
Islam has nothing to do with Jesus as a Jew or Mary his mom.

Your simply spreading more worthless propaganda here.

She could have been 100 years old, too.

Like I said, the New Testament NEVER says how old she was. If she had been extremely young or extremely old, it’s a pretty good bet that the Gospel writers would have mentioned the remarkableness of her age.

The only mention of her age that I am aware of is in the apocryphal book, The Protevangelium Jacobi (James). It states that she was 12 years old when betrothed to Joseph. But, since The Protevangelium Jacobi was written somewhere between 200 and 300 years after the birth of Christ and is most certainly NOT an authentic Gospel, it is still anyone’s guess.

thanks anyway

That is complete nonsense. On what do you base such a claim?

If you want us westerners to know a moderate form of islam then go out and start one. We have eyes and can see real islam everyday. We never lack for a story of a muslim acting stupid they are legion. Your words are bullshit and you will never convince anyone differently without real change.

Until we see muslim stop acting like animals admit mohammed was a scum sucking pervert and none of his examples are valid for modern man you are just wasting your time here. Change islam and then return, good luck.

and as u said that God no need to have physical sex to make the girl pregnant, should HE wait until the girl have her menstruation, or not ?

The Talmud (which I agree is a bunch of BS) was written AFTER Jesus was born.

But, be that as it may, if Mary were to have been able to become pregnant, then she would have had to have hit her menstruation cycle – which normally occurs around 13 years of age. I know you Muzzie apologists want to believe that girls started menstruating REALLY early back in Muhammad’s day, but the historical record actually shows that girls back then started menstruating a little later than they do currently, primarily (it is thought) due to better nutritional diets in modern times.

So, Mary couldn’t have been 3 years and a day.

But, again, the custom at the time of Jesus’ birth was to betroth the Jewish girls at at least 12 years of age.

Also, you might want to use a dictionary or something to find out what “coition” means.

Obviously, Mary was a virgin when she became pregnant with Jesus. So, your citations prove nothing…

According to tradition, Mary was probably around 12(TWELVE) or 14. Joseph was 90(Ninety) years or more older. The New Testament itself has no specific details on this although Mary would have been relatively young. This means Mary has the possibility of giving birth to
Jesus as low as 11 years of age.

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Bismillah ir-Rahmaan ir-Raheem

How old was the age of Mary, Jesus’ Mother when she got pregnant?

Not only was it a custom in the Arab society to Engage/Marry a young girl it was also common in the Jewish society. The case of Mary the mother of Jesus comes to mind, in non biblical sources she was between 11-14 years old when she conceived Jesus.
Mary had already been “BETROTHED” to Joseph before conceiving Jesus. Joseph was a much older man. Therefore Mary was younger 11-14 years of age when she was “BETHROED” to Joseph.

We Muslims would never call Joseph a Child Molester, nor would we refer to the “Holy Ghost” of the Bible, that “Impregnated” Mary as a “Rapist” or “Adulterer”.
According to the Priest of Saint Mary’s Catholic Church: “Mary was approximately 14 years old when she got pregnant with Jesus. Joseph, Mary’s Husband is believed to be around 36 years.

Mary was only 13 years when she married Joseph. When she first was arranged with Joseph she was between 7 to 9 years old.”
According to the “Oxford Dictionary Bible” commentary, Mary was was 12 years old when she became impregnated.
So if I want to be as silly and ridiculous as many of the Christians, I would respond to them by saying that Mary was psychologically and emotionally devastated for getting pregnant at a very young age. And speaking of “child molesting”, since most Christians believe that Jesus is the Creator of this universe, then why did GOD allow himself to enter life through a 12-year old young girl’s vagina?

Please note that we Muslims love and respect Allah Almighty, Mary, Jesus and Allah’s Messengers and prophets to the People of the Book (The Jews and Christians).
In other words, we Muslims would never make fun of Christianity through such childish topic like this one as many ridiculous Christians do make fun of Islam through our Prophet’s Muhammad (peace be upon him) marriage to Aisha (peace be upon her) .

The apocryphal “Protoevangelium Jacobi” ( also called the “Infancy Gospel of James” ) is demonstrably a second century fabrication and is the source of these ridiculous age claims.

Only the gullible believe such fairy tales.

That being said, we CAN reasonably assume that she was older than 11.

Mary, quite simply, couldn’t have been 11 years old when she became pregnant. The Jewish custom at the time was to betroth a girl when she was 12 or older.

12 years old being the youngest.

Joachim Jeremias, Jerusalem in the Time of Jesus (Fortress Press, 1969, translated from the third German edition, 1962), p. 365, cites Strack and Billerbeck (II, 374), that the usual age for a girl’s betrothal was between twelve and twelve and a half. He cites M.Ket. v.2 that the marriage itself ordinarily took place one year after betrothal.

Now, notice that we find in Luke chapter 1, the following:

26-27: And in the sixth month [note: that would be six months after Mary's cousin Elizabeth became pregnant] the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.

So, we can conclude that Mary was already betrothed to Joseph when she became pregnant, which would mean that she was 12+ years old.

And, for God to be a pedophile, wouldn’t He have had to have had physical SEX with Mary? Obviously, He didn’t have sex with her, but just said “be” and it was.

Muhammad, on the other hand…

You did highlight one of the west’s biggest problems with the cult of islam. Using mohammeds twisted lifestyle as an example and an excuse to copy it in modern times disgusts us. At least those of us watching how many tens of millions of muslims being victimized on a daily basis by other muslims claiming they have a right to do it. It is ironic that many muslims hate us and call us names like islamophobic when we fight harder for muslim rights than they do.

Cheers

BTY, in this age, I personally can not understand if a well educated person would mary little girl. But I can understand if it come from a ‘ little uneducated country’ , like afghan and etc.

I think, there’s no pedophile terms in GOD. The important thing is, is he marry her or just consummate her.

That particular photograph is from a New York Times article a couple of years ago:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/magazine/09BRI.html?_r=1&ex=1153195200&en=f7e57a9d8fc63d8b&ei=5070&emc=eta1

The NY Times also included a slide-show of child bride marriages along with the article, here:

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2006/07/06/magazine/20060709_BRIDES_SLIDESHOW_1.html

And, the direct link to the photo you were asking about (also included in the slideshow) is located here:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/07/04/magazine/brides.650.3.jpg

If you are using it in an educational way for a Women’s Studies class, I’m pretty sure you will be covered under the “Fair Use” clause in the copyright laws:

§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. [...]

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107

I hope this will be of some assistance to you.

Cheers

Yes, I would like to see the cite or link where the
Pope is thinking of bringing [sharia law] in also.

There are two major systems which will come to prominence in the end times – one is largely religious, described as Mystery, Babylon the Great,
which will ride to power on another, largely political, which will give rise to Antichrist.

The Antichrist (Beast) will turn the political powers against the false religious system of Mystery Babylon, and destroy it, before Jesus Christ
in turn returns and casts the Beast and False Prophet alive into the lake of fire.

There is a major marketing push going on to present islam, Judaism and Christianity as “three great monotheistic Abrahamic faiths”, all worshipping the same God, but this is deception and delusion.

“allah” has nothing in common with God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), and has no power to save sinners through “reversion” to islam or otherwise.

All three “Abrahamic faiths” do however have elements which seek to impose laws on humanity, and
to control it.

First is islam, with its push for a global caliphate under sharia “law”.

Second is Judaism, with the nascent Sanhedrin seeking to impose Noahide Laws upon gentiles.

thesanhedrin.org/en/main/organization
Organizational structure of the Nascent Sanhedrin

(Sub Courts) Court for Bnei Noah (ie Noahide Court)

thesanhedrin.org/en/index.php/Jerusalem_Court_for_Issues_of_Bnei_Noah

Thirdly are elements of Christianity, which believe they have a mandate to impose Old Testament laws upon the nations and establish dominion over the earth in order for Jesus Christ to return.

(search Dominionism Reconstructionism)

Note that the Sanhedrin does not (yet) have any recognised powers; Dominionists have dropped out of view, and islam is currently leading the pack in the race to place the planet under a counterfeit set of laws, but this could change, and all will occur in accordance with God’s prophetic will and purpose (not “allah’s”, or mine for that matter).

We see through a glass darkly, but we are heading for the perfect storm, when people reject God’s plan of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in favour of laws such as sharia, noahide and “Old Testament”, which have no power to save anyone, but we all are condemned by the laws of God and our inability to obey any or all of them.

Grace does what the law cannot.

Who will you trust for your salvation, Raniyah?

Jesus Christ, who has redeemed us through His precious blood shed on the Cross for us, or your ability to obey sets of laws (often counterfeit).

Choose wisely!

It is certainly enough to make one’s head hurt when attempting to reconcile Dr. Williams’ contradictory belief system.

Perhaps, someday I’ll down a couple of aspirin and brave another go at it…

Cheers

“Also, sharia law is in Arabia. Incase you didn’t know the Pope was thinking of bringing it here!duh?!?!”

If you take the time to research about sharia laws they are not as helpful to non muslims as you think.

Look at the problems in Egypt, Saudi and other Islamic countries that sharia create for Christians, Jews & other religions in those countries.