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Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe the Jews and Christians rejected Muhammad because they knew he was a false, murdering, lying, pedophile prophet?
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits…” Matthew 7:15-16
I’m not she!!! Amin is a male name not female, and wearing burka is better than wearing tubetops & miniskirts, at least we can tell the ordinary woman from the prostitute!
Dumb & Dumber (Bulldog and Ronin): I’ll come back to you later…I’m too busy right now.
I don’t think we need to defend our religion or justify our actions for a bunch of murderers and brutal barbaric nations like Americans and Europeans. In each century millions of innocent people from other nations lost their lives in the worst way by the barbaric invasions and wars made by western nations. In the 19th century it was Spain and Portugal, In the 20th century it was UK and France, and now in the 21st century it is the USA. Below is a small excerpt of what Americans are doing in Iraq on daily basis.
Bottom line….YOU ARE WORST THAN THE WORST TERRORISTS …And this is a FACT.
Thursday, April 17th, 2008
Winter Soldier Iraq and Afghanistan …by Gerald Nicosia
Turner, whose unit had lost 18 soldiers in Iraq, reported routinely firing rounds into mosques just out of anger, “kicking in doors and terrorizing families,” the mistaken firing of rounds into cars filled with civilians, whose drivers were simply confused or didn’t understand the English commands to stop, and dozonens of other brutalities carried out daily against the population of Iraq. Other veterans at Winter Soldier testified to similar incidents, and almost all recalled using the derogatory term “hajji” (pronounced hodgie) for Iraqis—the equivalent of the word gook in Vietnam. Turner’s slides and videos were perhaps a bit more graphic—an image, for example, of the brains of a civilian scattered on pavement by a .50 caliber machinegun slug. But two of his stories were among the heaviest we heard in those four days.
The first was of Turner’s “first kill”—a “fat man” on foot whom he shot for refusing a command to halt. The “fat man” did not die from the first bullet Turner put in his neck, so while he screamed and looked pleadingly into Turner’s eyes, Turner deliberately dispatched him with a shot at close range.
The second story was even worse. He and his men were having a bad day—and bad days are apparently not hard to have in Iraq, where a large percentage of the population feels hostility toward the American military presence. The CBS reporter who’d been following them switched over to the other squad in his platoon. Left unwatched,
Turner and two fellow soldiers “took out some individuals” who were doing them no harm. Turner shot a man going by on a bike, then threw the body behind a wall and tossed his bike on top of it.
My friend Anthony Swofford, author of Jarhead and a former Marine himself, who was there to cover the event, as was I, leaned over to me and said, “I think Turner just confessed to murder.” But putting that remark in perspective, Swofford would also tell me later, “The thing that got me the most, is I know that for every guy up there testifying today, there are probably a thousand others out there keeping silent.”
Michael Moore is a American hating fat POS. Do not trust anything he writes.
Amin,
America has done more good than all the countries in the world combined. Food, and financial aid, that is my tax dollars, is something most people call good.
Your tone of writing, like we are the worst terrorists ever, just shows your limited ability to understand the facts/
It is kind of like worshiping a false moon god. You do not know any better, but it still does not make you correct. Now, STFU, and get a job!
Once again, you miss the point: ISLAM is suppose to be a peaceful RELIGION. Even if all that anti-American propaganda that your little pea brain has been washed with were true, it DOES NOT MATTER – Europe and the Americas are NATIONS. That puts them in a different light than the religion of peace category…
You always try to use the same lame excuse of “nations are different than religions”. Religions are represented by their followers or at least the majority of them. When all western Christian countries have shown extreme hostility against other nations throughout history, let alone the massive crimes against humanity committed by western churches and their extreme intolerance against blasphemers and other religions.
This means either western nations are not Christians at all, or there is something wrong with their religion. So enlighten me which one is it?
and about the pea brain thing … I hold MSc Degree in mechanical engineering and I’m sure my IQ is higher than a dozen of racists like yourself added together…
leatherneck
So Michael Moore is a bad guy and USA is the nicest country in the world….I think the whole world disagree with this crap. In the last eight years USA became the nightmare of the world with its extreme aggressive and insane warmonger strategies; a plague and menace to all other nations of the world.
What Americans did in Vietnam and now in Iraq are just few examples of the brutality and barbaric cruelty against other nations. Just ask native Americans ….sorry I forgot, they faced extinction by the humanitarian USA rednecks!
I work in an international company as principal engineer and project manager. So I have a job, do you? from your writings I doubt that you have even finished school!
Reread your history book and demand a refund from your teachers. Take any 100 years of US and islamic history and do a comparison, islam easily wins as the most murderous and oppressive power. If you classify islam as a religion which I do not but if you do, islam easily wins again as the worlds most violent and longest running religiously inspired killing machine. Its almost 1400 year reign of terror speaks for itself. You might not want to accept it but the history of islamic conquest speaks volumes and a few words in print will never alter it or explain it away. I actually find such apple vs oranges arguments invalid but you brought it up.
As usual, your other points are also commonly seen and equally invalid. For all the mistakes the USA has made it has always attempted to right them. American Indians have not held a 400 year old grudge, in fact thousands proudly serve America against radical islamists, they also tend to kick Ass and take names. Comparing Vietnam and Iraq is too stupid to respond to so I’ll skip that one. The redneck comment was cute but most people use the term to describe white male southerners and the term came along over a hundreds years after the Indian campaigns so once again pointless comparison. Leatherneck can defend himself.
Here is reality, skip the qusi history and open a newspaper, islam is the biggest threat to world peace and human rights, today. Not years ago – now. Nothing in islam is compatible with modern standards of living> It can best be described in a single word-evil.
In case some of you are not yet convinced that “Islam is Peace”, “educate” yourselves by watching the following video. It is far more accurate than Fitna in depicting some of the nicest realities of Islam and there is no racist propaganda in it, just plain facts:
It has nothing to do with religions. It is all about power and money.
IT IS ABOUT PEOPLE
The problem is that muslems can made the same movie, and they did it ,with the Bible.
We should look first in our own religion.
It may be more updated to the modern world, but in some ways it is still discriminatory. I don,t think that any religion should discriminate people.
Of course some of the muslems are terorists. They are almost brain washed from kids that the only good in the world is Allah and he said that they must kill people that are not like them.
But look at the Americans, what are they doing in the name of….what??? Christianity? Peace ?? or Bush.
It is the same with Israel and Russia and all the countries in the world ,that started a war this century.
It is not about movies it is about policy. Mainstream Christians condemn what mainstream Muslim support, pesky things like pedophilia, incest and slavery. There is no possible moral comparison between the two.
what about the new case in austria, (incest, pedophilia & slavery) father for 24 years, what religion he is?
So, that mean his religion teach him to do that?
Why media don’t mention his religion?
Do his religion support those action?
Think for yourself.
We hear about police raids on pedophillic rings, in the news almost everyday and all of them are western. Being in Europe, Australia, USA, Russia, or else the only common factor is being western. thousands captured for online child pornography and all of them westners. what about sex tourism in southeast asia, again all are westners. what about white slavery and mass prostitution traficking networks, also westners.
Add to that racism, hatred and massive war crimes, and you get the fact that
West = Evil. period.
Actually muslims are more christians than western nations. Jesus lived on our land, and so did most of the prophets, moses, abraham, etc. we know the true religions from the fake ones…what you have as religion is a twisted roman polytheist version of christianity…nothing more, let alone the fact that most westners doesn’t even believe there is God!!!
Pedophiles exist in EVERY culture. In the West, they are considered the scourge of society and every attempt is made to hunt them down and lock them up like the scum they are; unlike Islamic societies that actually worship a pedophile as a prophet and use his example as an excuse for raping little children while Sharia Law turns a blind eye….
IN RE:: Racism, hatred, and massive war crimes:
Oh, I’m sorry, for a second, I thought you were talking about Muhammad…
So, if you think such things are so EVIL, then why do you give the false prophet Muhammad a free pass on such atrocities???
IN RE: Muslims more Christian than the West and Christianity a twisted Roman polytheistic version:
Now, that’s just an outrageous claim. Are you telling me that Muhammad used the Christian Bible to validate himself and then afterwards, the Christians decided to corrupt the New Testament? Or, did Muhammad use a corrupted version of the New Testament to lay claim to his prophet status?
See, it doesn’t make sense that Muhammad would use the New Testament as verification if the Christians were following a twisted Polytheistic Roman version…
Besides, we know through the stories swiped by Muhammad for inclusion in his un-holy Qur’an, that he was using the Gospel of Thomas for reference…
IN RE: Most Westerners do not believe there is a God:
Gee, that’s an odd statement… Which is it? Are Western Nations, as you have stated previously, “Christian Nations” or are they Atheist Nations?
Make up your mind… Or, perhaps they have a wave-particle duality…
Well, I have to run. Thanks for stopping by, again. I was hoping you would.
Awie and Amin, I love you as fellow humans, but Dr. Bulldog’s got a point: Islam and the example of Muhammad himself make pedophilia o.k., whereas no matter how many examples of non-Muslims pedophiles are pointed to, their religion cannot be pointed to for making it o.k., just the individual pedophiles, but with Muslim pedophiles, they are actually just following the example of Muhammad, it’s approved by Islam, the religion itself. Can’t you see the difference?
This talking about pedophilia allowed by Islam has became an old Cliché. Islam in all its social laws applies two tiers, one tier sets the final limits that should not be crossed, and the second tier is the limit set by society norms at any time.
Applying this to marriage, the first tier is the minimum age limit, which is the age of puberty for both male and female. The second tier is the age limit set by society norms, which in today’s societies in 21st century is 16-18 yrs old (with difference from country to another).
If we look back few decades ago, the minimum society norm for marriage was 12 yrs old. In USA and Europe, about 50 years ago, it was legal that 12 yrs old girls get married. Now society norms has changed and the age of consent became 18 yrs in most USA states and European countries.
This is regarding formal marriage. Sex without marriage is widely common in western societies nowadays for ages as young as 12yrs old, but with the condition of the sex partner being at close age.
In ancient societies, the minimum norm for marriage was the age of puberty, and it was normal and common for girls as young as 9-10 yrs old to get married when they hit their puperty.
The prophet’s wife, Aysha, who all the fuss is made about by the hatred propaganda, was engaged to another man before Islam. When her father, Abu Baker, the prophets most trusted friend became a muslim, he asked her fiancé if he still would like to marry her after all her family became muslims. The non-muslim man said no he no longer wants to marry her. She was the last daughter of Abu Baker who was still un-married. The prophet wanted to strengthen his ties with his trusted friend and deputy so he proposed to marry her. Historians are in dispute about her age when she got married, but the most common is 9 to 12 yrs old.
This is the brief story of that marriage, note the following points:
1) Applying today’s social norms to societies which lived thousands of years ago is either total stupidity and nonsense or total misleading and just a pure propaganda.
2) The definition of pedophile in dictionaries is the adult who has exclusive sexual attraction towards children. Does this apply to a single marriage that was political more than anything else? The prophet had 7 wives with all of them being old women either widows or divorced. A pedophile would take all his wives of young girls if he had the power to do so.
3) It was totally normal for young girls to get married when they hit puberty and age difference was not an issue at that time even in Europe. It was a globally acceptable social norm. Again Islam set the extreme limit to be puberty and left it flexible to set higher limits according to place and time.
I hope this clarifies the situation although racists have no logic or sense except hatred and lies after lies. Personally I couldn’t care less about their opinions, but I wrote this for the people deceived by the propaganda and have no clue about history.
Nice try but let’s re-look your Bullshit explanations:
1) Applying today’s social norms to societies which lived thousands of years ago is either total stupidity and nonsense or total misleading and just a pure propaganda.
1a) Then why does most of the islamic world continue to do it? It would be impossible to find an islamic country (and increasingly western ones) that doesn’t allow child brides, honor killings and using children to pay off depts. Which is really just slavery re-named.
2) The definition of pedophile in dictionaries is the adult who has exclusive sexual attraction towards children. Does this apply to a single marriage that was political more than anything else? The prophet had 7 wives with all of them being old women either widows or divorced. A pedophile would take all his wives of young girls if he had the power to do so.
2a) At least we do agree that mohammed was a pedophile. Since he did copulate with a nine year old child, he fits your definition and mine. It doesn’t matter if it was one time, a hundred times nor does the number of victims matter, the definition stands, a pedophile takes advantage of a child for his or her own sexual desire. Since nine is not the age of consent, old mo was both a pedophile and a rapist. Basically, he was a freak.
3) It was totally normal for young girls to get married when they hit puberty and age difference was not an issue at that time even in Europe. It was a globally acceptable social norm. Again Islam set the extreme limit to be puberty and left it flexible to set higher limits according to place and time.
3a) You do realize that ancient history is a piss poor excuse and should never be used as an example for today right? The societal norms of yesteryear are not an excuse to break today’s laws nor to ignore them. The vast numbers of muslim’s in europes prisons are not an accident and the numbers will continue to climb as western laws trumps sharia.
-The biggest issue I have with muslims tossing out the moral equivalency argument is how ironic it is. islam is perpetually stuck in the seventh century and modern decency standards as well as human rights are surrendered by muslims to an antiquated ideology that oppresses them and others. If you want to live life in the past fine, have at it but do not whitewash over islams crimes and tell me changing the color somehow magically helps. Equally, do not be surprised when modern man resists. If you really want people to respect islam then fight against the seventh century and work hard to at least enter the eighth.
I hope this clarifies the situation although racists have no logic or sense except hatred and lies after lies. Personally I couldn’t care less about their opinions, but I wrote this for the people deceived by the propaganda and have no clue about history.
-The only thing your explanation accomplished was to show you’re just another apologist unable to come to grips with the failure called islam or its incompatibility with the twenty first century. A brief look at Islamic countries doesn’t bode well for muslims, most are complete failures and could not exist or continue to function without outsiders.
-I wrote this for you, not for the readers for you personally. You seem like an intelligent person, have you ever asked yourself why people like doc and I are disgusted by your ideology and the people who defend it. Have you asked yourself why we spend so much time fighting against it? Have you compared the success of a single modern country and compared it against Islamic countries centuries older?
-If I were a religious man I could make the case that God has and will continue to punish muslims for their crimes against humanity.
Be serious; if this guy was anyone else other than Muhammad, you would be calling him a pedophile and demanding his arrest – especially if he was eyeing your daughter…
To have to defend such concupiscent behavior – especially that of a supposed prophet – is just sad…
No matter how you try to semantic slice it in a feeble attempt to justify it, sex with a prepubescent girl is just wrong!
In fact Aisha was 6 years old when Muhammad (an old pervert of about 50 years old) married her under protest from her father.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18 – The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for ‘Aisha’s hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said “But I am your brother.” The Prophet said, “You are my brother in Allah’s religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry.”
She was 9 years old when he had sex with her.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236: Narrated Hisham’s father: “Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old. ”
Tabari VII:7 “The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six.”
Even other folks knew Muhammad was marrying Aisha a little young – even for back in those days:
Tabari IX:128 “When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation.”
Tabari IX:131 “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.”
And, Aisha wasn’t the only child that Muhammad had the hots for:
Ishaq:311 “The Apostle saw Ummu’l when she was a baby crawling before his feet and said, ‘If she grows up, I will marry her.’ But he died before he was able to do so.”
As the saying goes, “past performance is a good indicator of future trends.” So, six years old is “grown up” and marrying age for Muhammad…
And, that DOES fit the definition of a pedophile! You altered the definition of a pedophile to say, “exclusive attraction for children,” when, in fact pedophiles are more often than not also attracted to older women as shown by the fact that many pedophiles are married to age appropriate wives…
Earlier you said that you heard about all those pedophile rings in the West getting busted almost every day. Now, I’m willing to overlook your exaggeration, but should the married pedophiles be excluded from prosecution? I think not!
So, pulling in the other wives of the false prophet Muhammad in an attempt to obfuscate and deflect attention from his pedophilia is just sophistry.
Also, if we are to believe the Islamic scholars, marrying 12 year olds after killing their fathers must have been alright with him and Allah:
Tabari VIII: 187 “The (sixty-two-year old) Messenger of Allah married Mulaykah. She was young [12] and beautiful. One of the Prophet’s wives came to her and said, ‘Are you not ashamed to marry a man who killed your father during the day he conquered Mecca?” She therefore took refuge from him” [She fled]
Muhammad’s twisted pedophilia even managed to work its way into the Qur’an as it allows for marriage to prepubescent girls. It’s buried in the section on waiting “periods” for divorce:
“O Prophet, when you divorce women, divorce them when they have reached their period. Count the period, and fear God your Lord. Do not expel them from their houses, nor let them go forth, except when they commit a flagrant indecency. Those are God’s bounds; whosoever trespasses the bounds of God has done wrong to himself. Thou knowest not, perchance after that God will bring something new to pass… As for your women who have despaired of further menstruating, if you are in doubt, their period shall be three months; and those who have not menstruated as yet. And those who are with child, their term is when they bring forth their burden. Whoso fears God, God will appoint for him, of His command, easiness.” Qur’an Sura 65:1, 4 Arberry translation.
Bottom line, it IS NOT nor has it EVER been appropriate for ANY 50 year old to marry a 6 year old girl and then screw her when she’s ONLY 9 years old!
But, you kiss the ass of someone who did, and then go about blindly justifying his perverse concupiscence and evilness to the damnation of your own soul.
And, I say that not out of spite, but out of concern for you and your fellow Muslims who have been lead astray by a false prophet.
The word is “realist”. Islam is not a race. Islam is an oppressive ideology disguised as a religion. Islam is stuck in the seventh century and has absolutely nothing of value to add to modern man. That is not “racist” it is “reality:
I do not normally use Islamic propaganda (texts) to argue against islam, only because I hate reading that crap and common sense easily wins any argument with a muslim propagandists. After years of people like you stopping by here spouting the same old tired and ridiculous islamic propaganda not one of you has ever won a single argument, changed my mind about minions nor converted a single reader. I do have to give apologists credit; many seem to believe they will somehow explain away almost 1400 years of history.
What I would like to know is why you bother? Does it bother you that so many people see through islam and measure it against its murderous pedophiles lack of character or that it can not stand up to modern standards of human decency and rights?
All I have to do to beat clowns like you is demand proof. In almost 1400 years no muslim nation has built a single working economic base, none have modern human rights and none have basic freedoms, like freedom of religion. In short, I just call the bullshit flag every time one of you stops by. Many of you apologists talk a good line but you always leave stinking.
6 April, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe the Jews and Christians rejected Muhammad because they knew he was a false, murdering, lying, pedophile prophet?
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits…” Matthew 7:15-16
7 April, 2008 at 9:38 am
I do not believe Amin can think for her self. She can only do as she is told, or get a good beating. Amin, you better be wearing that burka!
7 April, 2008 at 10:26 pm
leatherneck (redneck is more approperiate)
I’m not she!!! Amin is a male name not female, and wearing burka is better than wearing tubetops & miniskirts, at least we can tell the ordinary woman from the prostitute!
Dumb & Dumber (Bulldog and Ronin): I’ll come back to you later…I’m too busy right now.
22 April, 2008 at 4:56 am
I don’t think we need to defend our religion or justify our actions for a bunch of murderers and brutal barbaric nations like Americans and Europeans. In each century millions of innocent people from other nations lost their lives in the worst way by the barbaric invasions and wars made by western nations. In the 19th century it was Spain and Portugal, In the 20th century it was UK and France, and now in the 21st century it is the USA. Below is a small excerpt of what Americans are doing in Iraq on daily basis.
Bottom line….YOU ARE WORST THAN THE WORST TERRORISTS …And this is a FACT.
Thursday, April 17th, 2008
Winter Soldier Iraq and Afghanistan …by Gerald Nicosia
Turner, whose unit had lost 18 soldiers in Iraq, reported routinely firing rounds into mosques just out of anger, “kicking in doors and terrorizing families,” the mistaken firing of rounds into cars filled with civilians, whose drivers were simply confused or didn’t understand the English commands to stop, and dozonens of other brutalities carried out daily against the population of Iraq. Other veterans at Winter Soldier testified to similar incidents, and almost all recalled using the derogatory term “hajji” (pronounced hodgie) for Iraqis—the equivalent of the word gook in Vietnam. Turner’s slides and videos were perhaps a bit more graphic—an image, for example, of the brains of a civilian scattered on pavement by a .50 caliber machinegun slug. But two of his stories were among the heaviest we heard in those four days.
The first was of Turner’s “first kill”—a “fat man” on foot whom he shot for refusing a command to halt. The “fat man” did not die from the first bullet Turner put in his neck, so while he screamed and looked pleadingly into Turner’s eyes, Turner deliberately dispatched him with a shot at close range.
The second story was even worse. He and his men were having a bad day—and bad days are apparently not hard to have in Iraq, where a large percentage of the population feels hostility toward the American military presence. The CBS reporter who’d been following them switched over to the other squad in his platoon. Left unwatched,
Turner and two fellow soldiers “took out some individuals” who were doing them no harm. Turner shot a man going by on a bike, then threw the body behind a wall and tossed his bike on top of it.
My friend Anthony Swofford, author of Jarhead and a former Marine himself, who was there to cover the event, as was I, leaned over to me and said, “I think Turner just confessed to murder.” But putting that remark in perspective, Swofford would also tell me later, “The thing that got me the most, is I know that for every guy up there testifying today, there are probably a thousand others out there keeping silent.”
For the full story follow this link: http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php
22 April, 2008 at 7:57 am
Michael Moore is a American hating fat POS. Do not trust anything he writes.
Amin,
America has done more good than all the countries in the world combined. Food, and financial aid, that is my tax dollars, is something most people call good.
Your tone of writing, like we are the worst terrorists ever, just shows your limited ability to understand the facts/
It is kind of like worshiping a false moon god. You do not know any better, but it still does not make you correct. Now, STFU, and get a job!
22 April, 2008 at 9:30 am
Amin,
Once again, you miss the point: ISLAM is suppose to be a peaceful RELIGION. Even if all that anti-American propaganda that your little pea brain has been washed with were true, it DOES NOT MATTER – Europe and the Americas are NATIONS. That puts them in a different light than the religion of peace category…
22 April, 2008 at 10:41 pm
bulldog
You always try to use the same lame excuse of “nations are different than religions”. Religions are represented by their followers or at least the majority of them. When all western Christian countries have shown extreme hostility against other nations throughout history, let alone the massive crimes against humanity committed by western churches and their extreme intolerance against blasphemers and other religions.
This means either western nations are not Christians at all, or there is something wrong with their religion. So enlighten me which one is it?
and about the pea brain thing … I hold MSc Degree in mechanical engineering and I’m sure my IQ is higher than a dozen of racists like yourself added together…
leatherneck
So Michael Moore is a bad guy and USA is the nicest country in the world….I think the whole world disagree with this crap. In the last eight years USA became the nightmare of the world with its extreme aggressive and insane warmonger strategies; a plague and menace to all other nations of the world.
What Americans did in Vietnam and now in Iraq are just few examples of the brutality and barbaric cruelty against other nations. Just ask native Americans ….sorry I forgot, they faced extinction by the humanitarian USA rednecks!
22 April, 2008 at 11:16 pm
leatherneck
I work in an international company as principal engineer and project manager. So I have a job, do you? from your writings I doubt that you have even finished school!
23 April, 2008 at 4:28 am
Amin,
Reread your history book and demand a refund from your teachers. Take any 100 years of US and islamic history and do a comparison, islam easily wins as the most murderous and oppressive power. If you classify islam as a religion which I do not but if you do, islam easily wins again as the worlds most violent and longest running religiously inspired killing machine. Its almost 1400 year reign of terror speaks for itself. You might not want to accept it but the history of islamic conquest speaks volumes and a few words in print will never alter it or explain it away. I actually find such apple vs oranges arguments invalid but you brought it up.
As usual, your other points are also commonly seen and equally invalid. For all the mistakes the USA has made it has always attempted to right them. American Indians have not held a 400 year old grudge, in fact thousands proudly serve America against radical islamists, they also tend to kick Ass and take names. Comparing Vietnam and Iraq is too stupid to respond to so I’ll skip that one. The redneck comment was cute but most people use the term to describe white male southerners and the term came along over a hundreds years after the Indian campaigns so once again pointless comparison. Leatherneck can defend himself.
Here is reality, skip the qusi history and open a newspaper, islam is the biggest threat to world peace and human rights, today. Not years ago – now. Nothing in islam is compatible with modern standards of living> It can best be described in a single word-evil.
23 April, 2008 at 4:30 am
Btw, your comments were off the topic, the movie has been proven as accurate. That was the original topic.
23 April, 2008 at 9:54 am
In case some of you are not yet convinced that “Islam is Peace”, “educate” yourselves by watching the following video. It is far more accurate than Fitna in depicting some of the nicest realities of Islam and there is no racist propaganda in it, just plain facts:
4 May, 2008 at 7:40 am
It has nothing to do with religions. It is all about power and money.
IT IS ABOUT PEOPLE
The problem is that muslems can made the same movie, and they did it ,with the Bible.
We should look first in our own religion.
It may be more updated to the modern world, but in some ways it is still discriminatory. I don,t think that any religion should discriminate people.
Of course some of the muslems are terorists. They are almost brain washed from kids that the only good in the world is Allah and he said that they must kill people that are not like them.
But look at the Americans, what are they doing in the name of….what??? Christianity? Peace ?? or Bush.
It is the same with Israel and Russia and all the countries in the world ,that started a war this century.
4 May, 2008 at 3:16 pm
It is not about movies it is about policy. Mainstream Christians condemn what mainstream Muslim support, pesky things like pedophilia, incest and slavery. There is no possible moral comparison between the two.
9 May, 2008 at 2:16 am
what about the new case in austria, (incest, pedophilia & slavery) father for 24 years, what religion he is?
So, that mean his religion teach him to do that?
Why media don’t mention his religion?
Do his religion support those action?
Think for yourself.
9 May, 2008 at 4:02 am
Nice try at the moral equivalency argument but it is off topic and no comparison is valid unless you prove he was the head of his own cult.
There is a big difference between one man and the so-called role model for an entire cult.
Islam is the only ideology that encourages pedophilia, especially at such high levels.
Think for yourself.
5 June, 2008 at 4:56 am
Ronin,
We hear about police raids on pedophillic rings, in the news almost everyday and all of them are western. Being in Europe, Australia, USA, Russia, or else the only common factor is being western. thousands captured for online child pornography and all of them westners. what about sex tourism in southeast asia, again all are westners. what about white slavery and mass prostitution traficking networks, also westners.
Add to that racism, hatred and massive war crimes, and you get the fact that
West = Evil. period.
Actually muslims are more christians than western nations. Jesus lived on our land, and so did most of the prophets, moses, abraham, etc. we know the true religions from the fake ones…what you have as religion is a twisted roman polytheist version of christianity…nothing more, let alone the fact that most westners doesn’t even believe there is God!!!
5 June, 2008 at 10:58 am
Amin,
Pedophiles exist in EVERY culture. In the West, they are considered the scourge of society and every attempt is made to hunt them down and lock them up like the scum they are; unlike Islamic societies that actually worship a pedophile as a prophet and use his example as an excuse for raping little children while Sharia Law turns a blind eye….
IN RE:: Racism, hatred, and massive war crimes:
Oh, I’m sorry, for a second, I thought you were talking about Muhammad…
So, if you think such things are so EVIL, then why do you give the false prophet Muhammad a free pass on such atrocities???
IN RE: Muslims more Christian than the West and Christianity a twisted Roman polytheistic version:
Now, that’s just an outrageous claim. Are you telling me that Muhammad used the Christian Bible to validate himself and then afterwards, the Christians decided to corrupt the New Testament? Or, did Muhammad use a corrupted version of the New Testament to lay claim to his prophet status?
See, it doesn’t make sense that Muhammad would use the New Testament as verification if the Christians were following a twisted Polytheistic Roman version…
Besides, we know through the stories swiped by Muhammad for inclusion in his un-holy Qur’an, that he was using the Gospel of Thomas for reference…
IN RE: Most Westerners do not believe there is a God:
Gee, that’s an odd statement… Which is it? Are Western Nations, as you have stated previously, “Christian Nations” or are they Atheist Nations?
Make up your mind… Or, perhaps they have a wave-particle duality…
Well, I have to run. Thanks for stopping by, again. I was hoping you would.
Cheers
5 June, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Awie and Amin, I love you as fellow humans, but Dr. Bulldog’s got a point: Islam and the example of Muhammad himself make pedophilia o.k., whereas no matter how many examples of non-Muslims pedophiles are pointed to, their religion cannot be pointed to for making it o.k., just the individual pedophiles, but with Muslim pedophiles, they are actually just following the example of Muhammad, it’s approved by Islam, the religion itself. Can’t you see the difference?
5 June, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Paedophile changes name and converts to Islam in jail….
Muslim leaders welcomed Falconer’s switch to Islam.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/04/07/paedophile-changes-name-and-converts-to-islam-in-jail-86908-20375133/
7 June, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Islam & Pedophilia… The Old Lame Cliché
This talking about pedophilia allowed by Islam has became an old Cliché. Islam in all its social laws applies two tiers, one tier sets the final limits that should not be crossed, and the second tier is the limit set by society norms at any time.
Applying this to marriage, the first tier is the minimum age limit, which is the age of puberty for both male and female. The second tier is the age limit set by society norms, which in today’s societies in 21st century is 16-18 yrs old (with difference from country to another).
If we look back few decades ago, the minimum society norm for marriage was 12 yrs old. In USA and Europe, about 50 years ago, it was legal that 12 yrs old girls get married. Now society norms has changed and the age of consent became 18 yrs in most USA states and European countries.
This is regarding formal marriage. Sex without marriage is widely common in western societies nowadays for ages as young as 12yrs old, but with the condition of the sex partner being at close age.
In ancient societies, the minimum norm for marriage was the age of puberty, and it was normal and common for girls as young as 9-10 yrs old to get married when they hit their puperty.
The prophet’s wife, Aysha, who all the fuss is made about by the hatred propaganda, was engaged to another man before Islam. When her father, Abu Baker, the prophets most trusted friend became a muslim, he asked her fiancé if he still would like to marry her after all her family became muslims. The non-muslim man said no he no longer wants to marry her. She was the last daughter of Abu Baker who was still un-married. The prophet wanted to strengthen his ties with his trusted friend and deputy so he proposed to marry her. Historians are in dispute about her age when she got married, but the most common is 9 to 12 yrs old.
This is the brief story of that marriage, note the following points:
1) Applying today’s social norms to societies which lived thousands of years ago is either total stupidity and nonsense or total misleading and just a pure propaganda.
2) The definition of pedophile in dictionaries is the adult who has exclusive sexual attraction towards children. Does this apply to a single marriage that was political more than anything else? The prophet had 7 wives with all of them being old women either widows or divorced. A pedophile would take all his wives of young girls if he had the power to do so.
3) It was totally normal for young girls to get married when they hit puberty and age difference was not an issue at that time even in Europe. It was a globally acceptable social norm. Again Islam set the extreme limit to be puberty and left it flexible to set higher limits according to place and time.
I hope this clarifies the situation although racists have no logic or sense except hatred and lies after lies. Personally I couldn’t care less about their opinions, but I wrote this for the people deceived by the propaganda and have no clue about history.
8 June, 2008 at 7:20 am
Nice try but let’s re-look your Bullshit explanations:
1) Applying today’s social norms to societies which lived thousands of years ago is either total stupidity and nonsense or total misleading and just a pure propaganda.
1a) Then why does most of the islamic world continue to do it? It would be impossible to find an islamic country (and increasingly western ones) that doesn’t allow child brides, honor killings and using children to pay off depts. Which is really just slavery re-named.
2) The definition of pedophile in dictionaries is the adult who has exclusive sexual attraction towards children. Does this apply to a single marriage that was political more than anything else? The prophet had 7 wives with all of them being old women either widows or divorced. A pedophile would take all his wives of young girls if he had the power to do so.
2a) At least we do agree that mohammed was a pedophile. Since he did copulate with a nine year old child, he fits your definition and mine. It doesn’t matter if it was one time, a hundred times nor does the number of victims matter, the definition stands, a pedophile takes advantage of a child for his or her own sexual desire. Since nine is not the age of consent, old mo was both a pedophile and a rapist. Basically, he was a freak.
3) It was totally normal for young girls to get married when they hit puberty and age difference was not an issue at that time even in Europe. It was a globally acceptable social norm. Again Islam set the extreme limit to be puberty and left it flexible to set higher limits according to place and time.
3a) You do realize that ancient history is a piss poor excuse and should never be used as an example for today right? The societal norms of yesteryear are not an excuse to break today’s laws nor to ignore them. The vast numbers of muslim’s in europes prisons are not an accident and the numbers will continue to climb as western laws trumps sharia.
-The biggest issue I have with muslims tossing out the moral equivalency argument is how ironic it is. islam is perpetually stuck in the seventh century and modern decency standards as well as human rights are surrendered by muslims to an antiquated ideology that oppresses them and others. If you want to live life in the past fine, have at it but do not whitewash over islams crimes and tell me changing the color somehow magically helps. Equally, do not be surprised when modern man resists. If you really want people to respect islam then fight against the seventh century and work hard to at least enter the eighth.
I hope this clarifies the situation although racists have no logic or sense except hatred and lies after lies. Personally I couldn’t care less about their opinions, but I wrote this for the people deceived by the propaganda and have no clue about history.
-The only thing your explanation accomplished was to show you’re just another apologist unable to come to grips with the failure called islam or its incompatibility with the twenty first century. A brief look at Islamic countries doesn’t bode well for muslims, most are complete failures and could not exist or continue to function without outsiders.
-I wrote this for you, not for the readers for you personally. You seem like an intelligent person, have you ever asked yourself why people like doc and I are disgusted by your ideology and the people who defend it. Have you asked yourself why we spend so much time fighting against it? Have you compared the success of a single modern country and compared it against Islamic countries centuries older?
-If I were a religious man I could make the case that God has and will continue to punish muslims for their crimes against humanity.
8 June, 2008 at 9:52 am
Amin,
Be serious; if this guy was anyone else other than Muhammad, you would be calling him a pedophile and demanding his arrest – especially if he was eyeing your daughter…
To have to defend such concupiscent behavior – especially that of a supposed prophet – is just sad…
No matter how you try to semantic slice it in a feeble attempt to justify it, sex with a prepubescent girl is just wrong!
In fact Aisha was 6 years old when Muhammad (an old pervert of about 50 years old) married her under protest from her father.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18 – The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for ‘Aisha’s hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said “But I am your brother.” The Prophet said, “You are my brother in Allah’s religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry.”
She was 9 years old when he had sex with her.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236: Narrated Hisham’s father: “Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old. ”
Tabari VII:7 “The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six.”
Even other folks knew Muhammad was marrying Aisha a little young – even for back in those days:
Tabari IX:128 “When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation.”
Tabari IX:131 “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.”
And, Aisha wasn’t the only child that Muhammad had the hots for:
Ishaq:311 “The Apostle saw Ummu’l when she was a baby crawling before his feet and said, ‘If she grows up, I will marry her.’ But he died before he was able to do so.”
As the saying goes, “past performance is a good indicator of future trends.” So, six years old is “grown up” and marrying age for Muhammad…
And, that DOES fit the definition of a pedophile! You altered the definition of a pedophile to say, “exclusive attraction for children,” when, in fact pedophiles are more often than not also attracted to older women as shown by the fact that many pedophiles are married to age appropriate wives…
Earlier you said that you heard about all those pedophile rings in the West getting busted almost every day. Now, I’m willing to overlook your exaggeration, but should the married pedophiles be excluded from prosecution? I think not!
So, pulling in the other wives of the false prophet Muhammad in an attempt to obfuscate and deflect attention from his pedophilia is just sophistry.
Also, if we are to believe the Islamic scholars, marrying 12 year olds after killing their fathers must have been alright with him and Allah:
Tabari VIII: 187 “The (sixty-two-year old) Messenger of Allah married Mulaykah. She was young [12] and beautiful. One of the Prophet’s wives came to her and said, ‘Are you not ashamed to marry a man who killed your father during the day he conquered Mecca?” She therefore took refuge from him” [She fled]
Muhammad’s twisted pedophilia even managed to work its way into the Qur’an as it allows for marriage to prepubescent girls. It’s buried in the section on waiting “periods” for divorce:
“O Prophet, when you divorce women, divorce them when they have reached their period. Count the period, and fear God your Lord. Do not expel them from their houses, nor let them go forth, except when they commit a flagrant indecency. Those are God’s bounds; whosoever trespasses the bounds of God has done wrong to himself. Thou knowest not, perchance after that God will bring something new to pass… As for your women who have despaired of further menstruating, if you are in doubt, their period shall be three months; and those who have not menstruated as yet. And those who are with child, their term is when they bring forth their burden. Whoso fears God, God will appoint for him, of His command, easiness.” Qur’an Sura 65:1, 4 Arberry translation.
Bottom line, it IS NOT nor has it EVER been appropriate for ANY 50 year old to marry a 6 year old girl and then screw her when she’s ONLY 9 years old!
But, you kiss the ass of someone who did, and then go about blindly justifying his perverse concupiscence and evilness to the damnation of your own soul.
And, I say that not out of spite, but out of concern for you and your fellow Muslims who have been lead astray by a false prophet.
Cheers
9 June, 2008 at 2:20 am
Bulldog,
I’m impressed with how much time you spend digging in traditional Islamic literature to find any flaw you can exploit for your cause….
Ronin is just a typical racist, while the others are not worth mentioning…but you, you are the real deal…
I’ll come back to you as soon as I have time… so until then..
9 June, 2008 at 4:11 am
The word is “realist”. Islam is not a race. Islam is an oppressive ideology disguised as a religion. Islam is stuck in the seventh century and has absolutely nothing of value to add to modern man. That is not “racist” it is “reality:
I do not normally use Islamic propaganda (texts) to argue against islam, only because I hate reading that crap and common sense easily wins any argument with a muslim propagandists. After years of people like you stopping by here spouting the same old tired and ridiculous islamic propaganda not one of you has ever won a single argument, changed my mind about minions nor converted a single reader. I do have to give apologists credit; many seem to believe they will somehow explain away almost 1400 years of history.
What I would like to know is why you bother? Does it bother you that so many people see through islam and measure it against its murderous pedophiles lack of character or that it can not stand up to modern standards of human decency and rights?
All I have to do to beat clowns like you is demand proof. In almost 1400 years no muslim nation has built a single working economic base, none have modern human rights and none have basic freedoms, like freedom of religion. In short, I just call the bullshit flag every time one of you stops by. Many of you apologists talk a good line but you always leave stinking.
9 June, 2008 at 9:42 am
Do Muslim apologists believe their own B.S.? One has to wonder when it comes to worshiping a false moon god if Muslims even read about their religion.
Hey Amin, Islam is not a race.