Comments on: ‘Family Security Matters’ Launches an ‘Islam 101′ Series

By: Ron Marlar

Ron Marlar — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:17:02 +0000

For many reasons I ended my relationship with familysecuritymatters.org quickly. The intended series on Islam will be continued soon in another publication. Watch for it by googling on my name, say about September or so.
I am interested here and will be so at the other publication in exchanging knowledge and understanding of Islam with any or all correspondents. I expect some will be like ER, prompt to criticize and misinform about Islam without citing specific references while asking that others do what ER does not do.
As to ER’s specific comments: It is my intent to share my understanding of truth only, objectively and clearly about Islam based on 40 years of study including at the graduate level and by meeting frequently with Muslims in my home area and theirs, as taught by Muslims. On that, no Muslim has ever explained to me, as I said, how the Bible is corrupt, became corrupted and the Qur’an is pure. Mecca was most certainly taken by force by Mohammed once he gained sufficient forces and strength in Medina. My list of 19 references was reduced by familysecuritymatter.org to those left with the article. I would like to see ER’s list of preferred references but probably not if they are anything like Ahmed Deedat’s piece that ER does cite. Doctorbulldog refuted ER’s misinformation well on the matter of Muslim views of Jesus. Moreover ER contradicts ER in attempting to write only a few words about Jesus. Read carefully what ER says in ER’s self-contradictory way.

By: doctorbulldog

doctorbulldog — Thu, 15 May 2008 02:10:54 +0000

ER,

Whew! I’m glad you cleared that up… For a moment, I thought you had been replaced with the evil Captain Kirk….

Cheers

By: ER

ER — Thu, 15 May 2008 02:03:14 +0000

For the record re: doctorbulldog’s comment quoting mine — it’s more like ER said some Muslims say instead of making it sound like I support the Islamic argument, which is laughable precisely for the points you mentioned.

By: Ronin

Ronin — Wed, 14 May 2008 21:31:15 +0000

The one rarely touched on point of these types of articles is a simple one. No sect of islam doesn’t preach muslim supremacy over all others. A small point but one that has always upset me. There is no such thing as a muslim “golden rule”.

I might not be above anyone but I damn sure am not beneath them.

By: doctorbulldog

doctorbulldog — Wed, 14 May 2008 19:56:47 +0000

ER said:

“so if Christians could come down from insisting Jesus is God and Jews could go up to accept he was/is more than just a man then by taking the Islamic Jesus was a Prophet and Messiah position, all can be in peace.”

Hmmm… What? No compromise on the part of Muslims???

How about the Muslims just accept that Jesus was the son of God, and is part of the Godhead… After all, Christianity and the doctrine of Christ’s divinity was around LOOOONNNNNG before the false prophet Muhammad invented Islam…

Also, THE CORE tenet of Christianity is that Christ died on the Cross for the sins of man, and was resurrected, demonstrating that Christians are no longer under the dominion of death. (See Romans 6:9-11) The Qur’an teaches that it was not Jesus who died on the cross… (See Qur’an Sura 4:157)

Sorry, but Christians WILL NOT acquiesce on that point…

BTW – That still won’t make everything peachy in the world of Islam….

By: ER

ER — Wed, 14 May 2008 19:22:41 +0000

Much better than the Islam is Peace stuff. I forgot one important point to clarify from that article–it gives the impression that Islam does not believe Jesus to be the Messiah (when it says “In similar fashion Jewish believers reject Jesus as the Messiah…”)–and just want to clarify not only does the Qur’an specifically say Jesus was the Messiah (in addition to being a Prophet), but Muslims often use their belief as an argument for how Islam can bring together Judaism and Christianity by correcting them both — in that Islam says Jesus existed and was more than a mere human or carpenter *but* that Jesus is less than God, a Prophet and the Messiah (annointed one ) , so if Christians could come down from insisting Jesus is God and Jews could go up to accept he was/is more than just a man then by taking the Islamic Jesus was a Prophet and Messiah position, all can be in peace.

By: ISLAMSFORLOSERS

ISLAMSFORLOSERS — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:53:58 +0000

A decent effort to educate infidels. Better this than the same old “Islam is peaceful” BS that everyone gets bombarded with all the time.

By: ER

ER — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:46:38 +0000

While I applaud the concept for this series, the basic errors and tone of this first article makes it come across as ill-informed propaganda, well-intentioned though it may be. I just hope people following this series (as I intend to) will also do their own research.

Comments on this article: though deception is taught as acceptable, even good, in Islam, it is not for the purpose of taking over, but for protection (persecution); Mecca was *not* taken by force, though there’s plenty of egregious violence in the history of Islam and time of Muhammad, the winning of Mecca is specifically noted for being bloodless; how can he never have heard of Muslim arguments for how the Bible’s been corrupted — they are all over the place (apologetics books, internet, etc), a simple booklet on it being Ahmed Deedat’s “Is the Bible God’s Word?”

Anyway, hopefully the series will get better, perhaps add verse and Hadith citations, since they don’t take up much space and would certainly add to credibility, then people could look them up in the online USC-MSA Compendium of Islamic Texts. The quick references chosen in the article would not have been the choices I’d have chosen for starters, though the Yusuf Ali translation is fine.