We already know that islam unlike every other religion praises perverts and follows the example set by the worlds most famous pedophile. Islam protects are rewards it deviants, where others turn them in and punish them.

We also have very strict posting guidelines, next time you might want to read them before making an ass out of yourself.

The moral equivalency argument from a muslim is beyond stupid, islams record for sexual violence will never be broken by anyone. Most muslims first sexual experience is with an older male relative, the sex cult thrives. I have yet to see a single thing about islam I do not find morally offensive. I am glad we agree on at least that.

Cheers

You know nohitng of isl-ame dont you. Almost all of us have read the quran and many of the hadiths.

moo-ham-ed not only married aisha but had sexual relations with a child. In our day and age he is considered a ped-ophile.

As for the Catholics and other subjects yes there are some stupid people in leadership. But the same can be said for the imams and other islamic leaders.

Morocco: Child marriages continue despite law to curb practice:

…. various imams and Islamic politicians protested against the legitimacy of the Mudawana (the Family Law), accusing it of violating Sharia or Islamic law which they say puts no limits on the age for marriage.

….over 38,000 applications (accepted for derogation), 379 involved marriage with a male child below the age of 18. The rest of the applications were for unions with female minors….

Morocco: Child marriages continue despite law to curb practice:

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/CultureAndMedia/?id=1.0.2375314024

Along comes another taqiyya spin-meister who tries to paint a pussy on your cheek. Oh well, its their religious duty to deceive infidels, if he Oz really had a problem with it, wouldn’t he then try to talk his co-religionists out of it instead of trying to pull the Islamic wool over infidel eyes and ears?

“Holy cvrap anything but math and science”

LOL! My Ph.d is in Theoretical Physics.

The point I was making was that you were using “nebulous” sources and logic for the basis of your mathematics – the same “nebulous” sources (Hadiths) that you accuse me of using.

You said, “Ayesha (ra) accompanied the Muslims in the battle of Badr and Uhud. Furthermore, it is also reported in books of hadith and history that no one under the age of 15 years was allowed to take part in the battle of Uhud. All the boys below 15 years of age were sent back. Ayesha’s (ra) participation in the battle of Badr and Uhud clearly indicate that she was not nine or ten years old at that time.”

The “boys” is the operative word. Aisha was obviously not a “boy,” therefore, she was not there to engage in the battle – only the males engaged in the battles. So, it is a weak argument in determining her age and does not “clearly” indicate anything. It only indicates that she accompanied Muhammad during his murderous campaigns.

Also, since Muhammad often went against his own pronouncements (such as allowing himself more wives than he allocated for other Muslims), it is a specious and weak argument to say that Muhammad couldn’t have brought Aisha along for his own “pleasure” just because the other wives weren’t allowed on to come along on the Jihad.

You also said, “It is reported in Taqri’bu’l-tehzi’b as well as Al-bidayah wa’l-nihayah that Asma died in 73 hijrah when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in 73 hijrah she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah. If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. So Ayesha, if she got married in 1 AH (after hijrah) or 2 AH, was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.”

100 years old is an awfully suspicious number…

I highly doubt Asma was exactly 100 years old when she died… To a younger person, a 90 year old Asma might look to be 100 years old, and, as there were no birth certificates, it is all conjecture…

Here, let me help you out with your cheat sheet from http://www.understanding-islam.com/ri/mi-004.htm.

You will note that the author from whom you are channeling (plagiarizing?) also includes this little ditty:

“According to Ibn Hajar, Fatimah (ra) was five years older than Ayesha (ra). Fatimah (ra) is reported to have been born when the Prophet (pbuh) was 35 years old. Thus, even if this information is taken to be correct, Ayesha (ra) could by no means be less than 14 years old at the time of hijrah, and 15 or 16 years old at the time of her marriage.”

So, let’s do the math on that “nebulous” source:

Fatimah is supposedly five years older than Aisha.

Fatimah was born when the Prophet was 35 years old.

That means that Aisha was 40 years younger than Muhammad (35 + 5 = 40)

According to most sources, the age of Muhammad when he married Aisha – 54 years old.

So, that means that Aisha would have to be a very mature 14 years old (54 – 40 = 14) when she married Muhammad.

Well, that can’t be correct! Because, it does not equal yours and the author’s (from which you plagiarized) 18-20 years old theory using Asma’s age as a reference, nor does it match the author’s other theory of 15 to 16 years old.

So, like I said, you are using nebulous logic in your math. It is not precise enough, nor is it solid enough to be used as a foundation for an argument.

And, as I tried to tell you, it just doesn’t matter what you or I think. It matters what the overwhelming majority of Muslims think, and that is that Aisha was six or seven years old when a 54 year old Muhammad married her, and she was nine years old when a 57 year old Muhammad “consummated” the marriage.

Now, instead of wasting your time on us infidels, why don’t you use your time more constructively and attempt to convince the majority of the Muslim population that Aisha was much older than nine years old when Muhammad had sex with her.

Here’s an Islamic scholar in need of your guidance:

IslamQA

After that, you might consider “correcting” the Wikipedia entry for Aisha so that all those poor Muslims and infidels won’t be mislead into thinking Muhammad was a pedophile:

Wikipedia/Aisha

Cheers

Please refrain from including the false Koran with the Bible. The Koran, and those who follow it or worshiping a false moon god called Allah, or Sin. You do not have to believe me, just Google Allah, or moon god and you can read the archeology which proves Islam is a false religion.

I just love Dr. Savage. His freedom of speech is under attack because Muslims from CAIR do not like the truth to be told about Islam.

“Death to those who insult Islam.” Do you remember that sign? Dr. Bulldog has it posted here for the world to see.

ROPMA

You may find it laughable that I’m actually trying to use common sense and’MATH’ (Holy cvrap anything but math and science) to refute your really really nonsensical and construed views of Islam. If your the voice of conservatism on this blog, then I salute on that one considering you are amongs the very best likes of Hannity, Limbaugh and Savage.

As much of a time constraint I’m on right now, I’ll just say one quick thing about your ’sahi’ definition. No one doubts the validity of sahi hadith, however, as with Bible, Torah and even the Quran, the verbiage changes overtime, while the main jist of it remains intact. So as with this, the essence of the hadith remains true, but the translations change such as ‘I was a young girl’ from ‘I was really young’ etcetera.

I would suggest you take your sophmoric knowledge about Islam and the cut and paste arguments and keep them in this blog which quite ostensibly runs rampant with bigots.

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/07/28/we-got-mail-from-hitler/

In his email a muzzies says the following;

Hitler
kissmymuslimass@aol.com | 68.164.161.199

Aww poor jews…everyone hates them…WAH WAH

At least Islamists don’t molest little boys, like your fellow priests in the sick catholic churches.

Hate all you want, but Islam will be the most powerful religion of the world:)

HAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Doom on you…. Muslims are just as capable of criminal gay behavior as anyone else…

If it’s jihad you want, God will accommodate you, and sooner rather than later,
by the looks of things. I trust the Israelis have stocked up on facemasks, bio-suits
and excavators in order to mark, collect & bury the bodies & body parts of the dead
& smelly “jihadis” that come against her [Ezekiel 38 / 39].

“I took compartive religion at grad school …”

Color me unimpressed. You obviously don’t know Sahih!

Since you took comparative religion, then you should know what the “Sahih” means in the titles Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim.

Sahih literally means sound, healthy, and without fault.

For a Hadith to be Sahih, the Hadith must have a consummate chain of transmission (isnad) in which there is no weak or broken link. ie – each link of the chain can be shown to be connected by a narrator who heard the narration from the prior narrator, etc., etc. The chain of narrators must be an unbroken chain.

Once the unbroken chain requirement has been met, each individual narrator on the chain of transmission is scrutinized and must be a just (adl) Muslim of good reputation.

Then, when the above two strict requirements are finally met, the text (matn) of the hadith must be in accordance with orthodox Islamic teachings.

Even the Suras contained within the Qur’an didn’t go through such intense scrutiny!

When a hadith meets all the proper qualifications for a Sahih Hadith, it must be accepted by all Muslims.

A Sahih Hadith is an obligatory Hadith.

The Sahih Hadiths, along with the Qur’an, are used as the main sources for Islamic jurisprudence (Usul al-Fiqh) in Sharia Law.

Obviously, for a Muslim who endeavors to follow the teachings and behavior of Muhammad, it would be imbecilic to deprecate the validity of the Sahih Hadiths just because it contains what one may consider to be an embarrassing account of Muhammad’s life.

I find it laughable that you are trying to use math based on nebulous logic to to refute ALL of the Sahih Hadiths AND the Tabari that flat out say that Aisha was 6 or 7 years old when she was married to Muhammad, and that she was nine years old when he had sex with her.

Surely they ALL can’t be wrong, especially those that came from the mouth of Aisha herself. Are you calling her a liar? Also, don’t give me that crap about the historical sayings in the Hadiths not undergoing as much scrutiny as the religious sayings. That’s just a bunch of bunkum Muslim “scholars” use when they are confronted with the truth concerning Muhammad’s perverted concupiscence.

Sunnis and Shias accept these Hadiths as being true. Even if, by some extraordinarily remote chance in Hell, you are correct about Aisha being much older, it doesn’t matter.

What matters is that MOST Muslims believe Aisha to have been a child when Muhammad had sex with her, thus giving them religious grounds for pedophilia.

In light of that fact, your argument is inefficacious in trying to prove that Islam doesn’t promote sex with prepubescent children.

“inner struggle” (TM) ??

It’s funny how you picked ONE of my comments about her age and found 3 hadiths to somehow try to prove me wrong. I took compartive religion at grad school so I know a thing or two about some of the symbolic verbiage that’s been used to described some of the events in essentially all major monotheistic religions. But I’ll give you some actual facts. Not the hadiths which ofen times go something like ’so and so narrated that so and so said that he saw so and so say this bout so and so’. Now, a lot of them ARE true but again, I’m sure you can appreciate the true meaning of lost in translation.

Some facts about Ayesha: According to a number of narratives, Ayesha (ra) accompanied the Muslims in the battle of Badr and Uhud. Furthermore, it is also reported in books of hadith and history that no one under the age of 15 years was allowed to take part in the battle of Uhud. All the boys below 15 years of age were sent back. Ayesha’s (ra) participation in the battle of Badr and Uhud clearly indicate that she was not nine or ten years old at that time. After all, women used to accompany men to the battle fields to help them, not to be a burden on them. Don’t give me crap about how she only stayed there for the pleasure of Mohammed because that in itself makes no sense considering NO OTHER wives accompanied their husbands as these wars were JIHAD, which was fought solely on religious grounds.

Also, according to almost all the historians Asma who was the elder sister of Ayesha, was ten years older than Ayesha. It is reported in Taqri’bu’l-tehzi’b as well as Al-bidayah wa’l-nihayah that Asma died in 73 hijrah when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in 73 hijrah she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah. If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. So Ayesha, if she got married in 1 AH (after hijrah) or 2 AH, was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.

It wasn’t an Arab tradition to give away girls in marriage at an age as young as nine or ten years, nor did Mohammed marry Ayesha at such a young age. The people of Arabia did not object to this marriage, because it never happened in the manner it has been narrated.

Good night ;^)

http://arabsexweb.com/category/arab-sex-pictures/covered-hijab

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http://www.arikiart.com/Images/max-emadi/ms-september-iranian-woman-painting.jpg

No surprise Ayesha was a slut, we have done many articles about how loose muslim women are.

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=wC-lwbxSYKs&feature=related

Your “copy and paste” argument is just ridiculous and specious at best when dealing with the MOST TRUSTED and accepted Islamic traditions as recorded in the Bukhari.

Obviously, you’re amentia prevents you from noting that MOST Islamic Scholars agree with the Hadith I quoted, and there are numerous other Hadiths that confirm what Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236 is saying.

Tabari IX:128 “When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation.”

Sahih Bukhari

Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234

Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151

Sahih Muslim

Chapter 10: IT IS PERMISSIBLE FOR THE FATHER TO GIVE THE HAND OF HIS DAUGHTER IN MARRIAGE EVEN WHEN SHE IS NOT FULLY GROWN UP.

‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. Book 8, Number 3311

Sunan Dawud

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr’s version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. Book 41, Number 4915:

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: When we came to Medina, the women came to me when I was playing on the swing, and my hair were up to my ears. They brought me, prepared me, and decorated me. Then they brought me to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and he took up cohabitation with me, when I was nine. Book 41, Number 4917

So, all in all, the only point that really can be debated is, “was she 6 or 7 when Muhammad married her?” But, that is just splitting hairs as all traditional Islamic sources confirm that she was indeed only 9 years old when Muhammad had sex with her.

Qur’an

Even the Qur’an permits marriage to prepubescent girls. It’s in the waiting “periods” for divorce:

“O Prophet, when you divorce women, divorce them when they have reached their period. Count the period, and fear God your Lord. Do not expel them from their houses, nor let them go forth, except when they commit a flagrant indecency. Those are God’s bounds; whosoever trespasses the bounds of God has done wrong to himself. Thou knowest not, perchance after that God will bring something new to pass… As for your women who have despaired of further menstruating, if you are in doubt, their period shall be three months; and those who have not menstruated as yet. And those who are with child, their term is when they bring forth their burden. Whoso fears God, God will appoint for him, of His command, easiness.” Qur’an Sura 65:1, 4 Arberry translation

Here is just one of the many Islamic scholars that I can quote who verify the meaning of the above Sura from the Qur’an:

Maududi, Towards Understanding the Qur’an, volume 5, p. 620, note 13

“…Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is also pemssible [sic] for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Qur’an has held as permissible.”

Now, Christ DID NOT have sex with a prepubescent girl, but the false prophet Muhammad did.

Since Christians are told to be “Christ-like” and Muslims are told to be “Muhammad-like;” if a Christian engages in pedophilia, he does so in opposition to Christianity. However, if a Muslim engages in pedophilia, rape, murder, lying, etc. etc., he does so in compliance with Muhammadism.

You really need to drop the tu quoque argument, as it cannot be used in this instance, and stop drinking the Kool-aid.

Cheers

And one final thing..why is it always ‘muslim so and so this’ or ‘catholic so n so that’ or ‘jewish so and so this’ when it involves these kind of predatory cases. These people, IF ACTUALLY BEING GUILTY of the crime committed, have already betrayed their faiths so the religious affiliation becomes redundant.