What Golden Age of Islam???
Interesting that Obama tried to distance himself from his Muslim roots during the campaign trail, and now he openly embraces it…
PATHETIC ‘MESSAGE’
OBAMA’S ODD ISLAMIC OUTREACH
Amer Taheri – NY Post
IN his “first message to the Muslim world” Tuesday, President Obama on Al-Arabiya TV invited the Is lamic Republic in Iran to “unclench its fist” and accept his offer of “un conditional talks.”
A few hours later, after Obama had appeared on the Saudi-owned satellite-TV channel, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told a crowd of militants that no talks are possible unless the United States met a set of conditions.
He demanded a formal apology for unspecified US “crimes” against Iran and the Islamic world. The crucial condition, however, was that America should withdraw its troops from other countries, “taking them back to their own territory.”
The contrast couldn’t have been greater. Obama tried to be as conciliatory as possible – asking only for an “unclenching” of the Iranian fist – a change of style. Ahmadinejad asked for concrete US moves, notably a global military retreat that would leave the Middle East at Tehran’s mercy.
In the understatement of the year, Obama said: “Iran has acted in ways not conducive to peace and prosperity in the region.” He also claimed that Iran’s support for terrorists, though “not helpful,” is a thing of the past – yet Tehran was running guns to Hezbollah and Hamas even as he spoke.
ON Al-Arabiya, Obama did something more interest ing: He cast himself in the role of a bridge between America and the Muslim world, a kind of honest broker between two camps in conflict.
To hammer in the point, he recalled the Muslim part of his own family background and his childhood in Muslim Indonesia – a topic he’d carefully avoided during the campaign. He also asserted that America is a land of “Muslims, Christians, Jews” and others – making sure to mention Muslims first.
At times, Obama sounded like a marriage counselor. He said his job is to communicate to Americans that “the Muslim world is full of extraordinary people who simply want to live their lives and see their children live better lives.” On the other hand, he said, he’d also tell the Muslims that “Americans are not your enemy.”
Obama looked to the past rather than the future to give such platitudes a tinge of political vision. He said he wanted a return “to the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago.”
The problem is that few people in the Muslim world will welcome his back-to-the-future approach. Thirty years ago, Obama was a teenager in Indonesia. Vice President Joseph Biden, however, was already a senator and a champion of President Jimmy Carter’s strategic retreat.
What was happening during what Obama seems to regard as the “golden age” of Carter’s leadership? US diplomats were held hostage in Tehran and daily humiliated with mock executions. Soviet troops were annexing Afghanistan to the Evil Empire. Saddam Hussein was preparing to invade Iran, starting an eight-year war that claimed a million lives. Mecca was under siege by the ideological antecedents of Osama bin Laden. Syrian troops were preparing to march into Lebanon.
OTHER features of this “golden age”: the seizure of power by mullahs in Tehran, the assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, the coming to power of communists in the Horn of Africa, the military coup in Turkey, the first Islamist terror attacks in Algeria, unprecedented waves of repression in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and the imposition of military rule in Pakistan.
During the same period, and its immediate aftermath, dozens of Americans from many walks of life were seized as hostages and sometimes brutally murdered in several Muslim countries. The US ambassador in Sudan was murdered; the CIA station chief in Beirut abducted, taken to Tehran and killed under torture.
A similarly dark picture could be drawn of the situation 20 years ago, when America was arming the mujahedin in Afghanistan while Saddam Hussein was preparing to invade Kuwait.
And the first President George Bush was then trying to court the Iranian mullahs in much the same way as Obama is trying today. But the mullahs were training and arming Hezbollah units in Lebanon and opening channels to Palestinian radicals who would soon re-emerge as Hamas. Saddam was gassing thousands of Kurds to death, while Turkey was dragged into a full-scale war on Kurdish communist secessionists. Meanwhile, the Libyan terror network was killing American GIs in Europe and blowing up US jetliners over Western skies.
No – that was no golden age, either.
THE truth is that the Middle East is not much better off than at any time since its emergence as a geopolitical unit after World War I. Thanks to the transformation of America from a power guaranteeing the deadly status quo into one that supports reform and change, the region has started to experience new currents of democratization.
Afghanistan and Iraq have been liberated, their peoples given a chance to build new systems of their own choice. The Syrians have been kicked out of Lebanon. Libya has been disarmed. Egypt has been forced to allow multiparty presidential elections. More than a dozen Arab states have adopted constitutions and introduced some form of electoral politics. Kuwaiti women have won the right to vote and get elected.
Iran’s democratic forces are encouraged to launch their campaign against the mullahs. The Islamists have been roundly defeated in Algeria, Egypt, Yemen and Saudi Arabia.
For the first time, the question of democracy is top of the political agenda in virtually every Muslim state.
Obama should remember that he is the president of the United States – not an impartial broker. It was unfortunate that he described himself as a bridge. For a bridge has no personality of its own and cares little about who might cross it and in which direction.
IF this was meant as the first direct contact between Obama and the Mus lim world, the Al-Arabiya interview must be rated as a missed opportunity.
Obama’s remarks about the Israel-Palestine issue were so trite as to merit no analysis. He said he was sending former Sen. George Mitchell to listen to all sides – as if the world has not been hearing their stories for more than six decades.
The president appeared apologetic, offering no hope for democratization and economic development. He made no mention of the economic meltdown that is creating unprecedented mass unemployment in many countries of the region.
Nor did he offer any support to democratic forces facing crucial elections in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, the Palestinian territories, Egypt and Algeria this year.
He had nothing to say about the thousands of Iranian workers who have been thrown into prison solely because they created independent trade unions. Nor did he mention Iranian women’s courageous “a million signatures campaign” or the series of student revolts that have been crushed by the mullahs with exceptional violence.
Nor was there any nod toward reformers in Saudi Arabia and Egypt or the heroic Lebanese democratic leaders who are fighting to preserve their nation’s independence from Iran and Syria.
Obama didn’t call for the release of the tens of thousands of political prisoners held in more than two dozen Muslim countries or a moratorium on executions that each year cost the lives of hundreds of dissidents.
CASTING himself in the role of a “bridge” and dreaming of a return to an illusionary past, Obama appeared unsure of his own identity and confused about the role that America should play in global politics. And that is bad news for those who believe that the United States should use its moral, economic and political clout in support of democratic forces throughout the world.
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29 January, 2009 at 10:04 am
Odd out reach? I don’t think there is anything odd about it. Democrats and islamofascists have much in common. Obama told us already that they have a lot of mutual interests. college islamocrats. That’s one reason, among many, that I agree with this post. These people make me sick.
29 January, 2009 at 10:49 am
Obama is a little boy playing politics. I am surprised the muzzies actually let him go as he is muslim in history and they would have considered once a muzzie, always a muzzie…and would have killed him for leaving the faith/culture, so to speak. They consider the United States and Israel as the Great Satan and little satan. Why does Barry think he has any sway over the rag heads?
29 January, 2009 at 11:05 am
Barry O…All too often the US dictates…It sure seemed to me that as he said that his voice level became elevated, as if calling out to someone somewhere hidden in a cave. Now who would that be?
29 January, 2009 at 6:20 pm
The Big O sounds like he wants to be known as “The Messenger”. Wasn’t that one of Mo’s titles during Islamania’s true golden age of nonstop conquest?
29 January, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Barry Soetero knows all — constitutional law, history, theology. Everything…
It’s easy to be an expert in everything when nobody ever questions you.
29 January, 2009 at 9:48 pm
…unsure… and confused.
The geniuses at NY Post are ONTO SOMETHING!!!!
(sarcasm you could cut with a plasma torch)
30 January, 2009 at 5:18 pm
There was a golden age of Muslim/Us relations. 1815. The US had told the Barbary pirates they would not give in to blackmail and if they attacked US ships or crews they would bomb the shit out of them. They attacked and had the shit bombed out of them and everything was hunk-dory
until the next Muslim demanded blackmail and the US paid and paid and paid. I suggest you read up on Jefferson and the Barbary pirates which is a lesson on how to deal with muslims.
19 April, 2009 at 6:29 am
Dear Dr. Dog:
As an author with an interest in the preservation and propagation of the works of the ancient Greek philosophers Plato and Aristotle, I have recently focused of the “Golden Age of Islam” which played the key role in this efforts.
I was surprised and saddened by your article on the Internet, which may a need for bias to “make a point” or just simply lack of basic research as via:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Muslim_scientists_and_engineers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Islamic_philosophy
We live in troubled times and we must all work together to foster peace and not strife and war.
Yours in the search for truth and honesty-
F. Fred Ferguson, Ph. D.
19 April, 2009 at 11:21 am
Blah, blah, blah. I’ve got a Ph.D. Blah, blah, blah.
Fortunately, mine is rooted in real science, and not philosophical bullshitting and historical revisionism like yours.
So, let me tell you something, one doctorate to another; the first thing you should always do before opening your mouth is to listen to what someone is saying.
In other words, READ THE DAMN ARTICLE before making an ass of yourself.
From the above article:
Obama looked to the past rather than the future to give such platitudes a tinge of political vision. He said he wanted a return “to the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago.”
The phrase “the Golden Age of Islam” was being used somewhat euphemistically in reference to Obama’s perceived “Golden Age” of political climate 20 or 30 years ago. Obviously, your drug induced amentia prevents you from comprehending even the most basic concepts.
Secondly, if you rely on wikipedia for your research, is it any wonder that you are an idiot awash in a sea of Islamic propaganda? I, myself, have been known to edit wikipedia on occasion. If I can do it, anyone can. Now, I must confess that as I write this, I have yet to click on your links. But, I will do so later. Upon which, I may comment on them.
Thirdly, if you are looking for the Golden Age of Islamic Science, might I suggest reading Fjordman?
He has an excellent piece on the history of Optics. You can read it here:
http://chromatism.net/fjordman/historyofoptics.htm
Finally, since you are also claiming to be an author (a search on Amazon.com yielded none of your work), I send my condolences to your editor.
Cheers
19 April, 2009 at 11:42 am
We do indeed live in troubled times – times of wars
and rumours of wars, and when people will say “peace”
and “security”, but sudden destruction will come
upon them, because they sought to bring peace by
their own efforts.
Search for truth by all means, and you may find it,
through Jesus Christ, the Son of God that islam
denies and blasphemes against.
19 April, 2009 at 10:28 am
Wow Fred talk about lame propaganda.
I suppose you forgot that the muslims borrowed from EVERY culture they took over. In fact science, and philosophy usually suffered because of islamic government.
Do some digging into what the islamic system did to those who used ‘free’ thought in islamic countries.
You might think twice before making statements like this again.
Some links for you to read up on:
Science, Medicine, Miracles in the Koran
http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/Science.htm
A book for you to read:
Why I Am Not a Muslim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_I_Am_Not_a_Muslim