The Socialist Stylings of J.K. Rowling

Alright, there’s a good reason why I have not posted much today.  I posted an article on Free Republic earlier today in which I stated that in Obama’s speech to America’s schoolchildren, he was promoting, “Left-Wing Socialist J.K. Rowling as someone children should look up to.”   (Gee, imagine that).   And, all day long I’ve been fending off angry supporters of J.K. Rowling and her Harry Potter books.

So, after wasting most of my day hunting down links and quotes to back my supposition that J.K. Rowling is a Socialist and that Obama knows this and is throwing her name out there with the  intent that children will be inspired to look into her biography and come to admire/worship her Socialist beliefs, I have decided to consolidate my comments into a single post and expand upon them here on our website.

Needless to say, the work that went into researching all of this was quite time consuming.  A search for “J.K. Rowling” on Google yields over six million hits.  That’s a lot of data to sift through!

First, let us establish that J.K. Rowling is, at the very least, a Socialist with Communist leanings:

As with Obama, we must first look into the person or persons most influential in J.K. Rowling’s life:

Excerpt from the book “J.K. Rowling” By William Compson, pg 20-21:

“[…] Rowling became very interested in politics when her aunt gaver her a copy of Jessica Mitford‘s Daughters and Rebels when she was fourteen years old. J.K. Rowling says that Jessica Mitford is the writer who was most influential on her career. In fact, Rowling even named her daughter after her. Mitford was a courageous human rights activist who also had a wonderful sense of humor. She was fiercely independent as well as being a passionate socialist who rebelled against her wealthy family […]”

Now, it should be pointed out here that the author of this biographical book, William Compson, has glossed over Jessica Mitford’s Leftist leanings.  In fact, Jessica Mitford was a card-carrying Communist and was even called up to testify during the infamous Sen. McCarthy hearings.  As a side note, Jessica Mitford once lived in Oakland, California.  While I was living there, I heard numerous references to her via the Leftist media and local Communist organizations in the Bay Area.  Believe me, she was the quintessential Communist.

Here is J.K. Rowling in her own words talking about Jessica Mitford:

“My most influential writer, without a doubt, is Jessica Mitford. When my great-aunt gave me Hons and Rebels when I was 14, she instantly became my heroine. She ran away from home to fight in the Spanish Civil War, taking with her a camera that she had charged to her father’s account. I wished I’d had the nerve to do something like that. I love the way she never outgrew some of her adolescent traits, remaining true to her politics – she was a self-taught socialist – throughout her life. I think I’ve read everything she wrote. I even called my daughter after her.”

Now, having establish that the most influential writer in J.K. Rowling’s life was a card-carrying Communist, let us take a look at J.K. Rowling’s own political leanings and statements:

J.K. Rowling: “The Wizard Behind Harry Potter” by Marc Shapiro, page 178:

“Long a supporter of single parent rights and funding, Joanne’s [J.K. Rowling’s] voice was often raised in protest against the government’s plans to cut funding for single parent services.”

Here is J.K. Rowling admitting she is “Left-Wing:”

[Quoting Dumbledore]  “Differences of habit and language are nothing at all if our aims are identical and our hearts are open.” That is my view. It is very inclusive, and yes, you are right: I am left-wing.


And, here is her statement as she gives the Labour Party 1 million pounds:

“I believe that poor and vulnerable families will fare much better under the Labour Party than they would under a Cameron-led Conservative Party. Gordon Brown has consistently prioritized and introduced measures that will save as many children as possible from a life lacking in opportunity or choice. The Labour government has reversed the long-term trend in child poverty, and is one of the leading EU countries in combating child poverty. David Cameron’s promise of tax perks for the married, on the other hand, is reminiscent of the Conservative government I experienced as a lone parent. It sends the message that the Conservatives still believe a childless, dual-income, but married couple is more deserving of a financial pat on the head than those struggling, as I once was, to keep their families afloat in difficult times.”

Here she is on what it means to be British:

It means a welfare state of which we should be fiercely proud and a tradition of tolerance and free speech we should defend to our last collective breath.

It means a health service to which much of the rest of the world aspires, [NOTE: she’s talking about socialized health care] the richest and most diverse language, and the best curries outside India.”

Of course, her longest job was at the Leftist organization, Amnesty International.

From her website:

“After leaving university I worked in London; my longest job was with Amnesty International, the organisation that campaigns against human rights abuses all over the world.”

She derides the U.S., but thinks Obama and Clinton are the bomb [this is in a Spanish interview, but you can CLICK HERE and read the automatically translated version]:

“the international political stance of the United States has been wrong in previous years, for its own and for my country… I want a Democrat in the White House. It’s sad Obama and Clinton are rivals because they are both great.”

So, having established her Socialist political leanings, let us see if the Socialist or Communist Party is also aware of her love for their political system:

Here’s the Commie rag, People’s Weekly World, as they see Harry Potter’s world:

“This summer, it’s all about HP and JK (Rowling). From the beginning, I’ve equated the HP series with the struggle against fascism and prejudice. I’ve seen Lord Voldemort’s rise as a parallel universe to the rise of the Bush administration and ultra-right control of all three branches of government (until last year’s election). “

“Dumbledore (and the Sorting Hat) exhorts Hogwarts students to stick together in the face of Voldemort, who thrives on division, and to reach out to students from other lands. Dumbledore says to always stand up and fight prejudice and treat all beings as equals. These messages make my heart swell with love for this series and author. “

“Rowling said one of her biggest influences in her life was author (and Communist) Jessica Mitford. Mitford came from a British aristocratic family who, quite unlike herself, supported fascism. Her sister, Unity, went to Germany and became a close friend of Adolf Hitler. Jessica, on the other hand, went to Spain and supported the anti-fascist, democratic Spanish Republic. Sound like Harry’s godfather and the Black family, HP readers? (Jessica’s sister Nancy was also a socialist. We’ll see if RAB is Regalus Black.)”

Hmmm… Interesting.  The Commies have picked up on J.K. Rowling’s Socialist leanings.

Well, how about the Commie Lites…you know, the Socialist Party?   Let’s take a look at what they have to say:

[…]

So, with the close of Harry Potter (although there are still two more films to come), we can ask what relevance does Harry Potter have for socialists?

JK Rowling has called herself ‘left-wing’ and has also said that within the books there is a certain amount of “political stuff”.

Of this there is evidence throughout, such as the three ‘unforgivable curses’ being killing, torture and enslavement.

There are comments on slavery with the oppression of the house-elves whose cause is taken up by Hermione who sets up the Society for the Protection of Elvish Welfare.

[Uhm, sorry to break in here, but it should be pointed out that Dobby, the house elf in Harry Potter, shares his name with Doris “Dobby” Brin Walker who was the Communist party organizer who recruited Jessica Mitford (J.K. Rowling’s most influential idol) and her second husband, Bob Treuhaft  (from Jessica Mitford’s autobiography, “A Fine Old Conflict,” page 50).  Coincidentally enough, Doris “Dobby” Brin Walker just passed away last month at the age of ninety in San Francisco.  And, believe it or not,  Hillary Clinton had a clerkship in 1971 at Walker’s firm in Oakland, California.  No wonder J.K. Rowling thinks Hillary Clinton is the bomb!

Anyway, continuing on with the article from the Socialist Party’s website: ]

There are also comments on the education system, testing, the curriculum and the virtues of the Baccalaureate over A-Levels or in Hogwarts’ case, O.W.L.S.

Racism and discrimination are a theme throughout. The fight for a multicultural society is borne out in the battle against Lord Voldemort’s dream of a world dominated by the ’superior’ pure-blood wizards.

In the story all the mainstream media is used by the state to discredit the anti-Voldemort movement. It is only the small independent press and pirate radio that is able to put the truth out to the wizarding world.

Why does Harry Potter deserve to be reviewed by socialists? Not only does it have positive political comments throughout and has been so incredibly successful, it has also achieved where many governments have failed for years, in getting hundreds of thousands of children that do not normally read, reading.”

Okay, I think it’s safe to say that the Commies and Socialists have picked up on J.K. Rowling’s political leanings, and they love her.

Continuing on down the rabbit hole, let us ponder Obama.   Obama is most assuredly a Communist.  Having lived in Oakland, California and dealt with Communists on a daily basis, believe you me, they all know of each other (well, the top movers and shakers) and keep in constant touch—even when they are thousands of miles apart.  Not only that, but they are continually endorsing and piling accolades upon each other in order to ingratiate themselves and spread their ideas amongst an unsuspecting public.

That being said, I have little doubt that Obama knows of J.K. Rowling’s Socialist and/or Communist leanings.  In fact, J.K. Rowling is one of Obama’s favorite authors!!!

http://blog.taragana.com/n/obama-tells-j-k-rowling-he-is-harry-potter-fan-24964/

“LONDON – US President Barack Obama has revealed that he is a huge fan of the Harry Potter series, and even told its author J K Rowling about it.

Obama, 47, who was genuinely pleased to meet 43-year-old Rowling, told her at the end of the Downing Street G20 dinner that he had read all her books, and that he also read them to his daughters Sasha and Malia.

[…]

Rowling had been among a number of notable women from the arts, business, and sport world who were being entertained at Downing Street by Gordon Brown’s wife Sarah. (ANI)”
(That’s what a one million pound donation to Gordon Brown’s Socialist Labour Party will get you! )

Of course, Obama also made sure to get J.K. Rowling’s autograph.  CLICK HERE for the video.

And, Mrs. Obama sat next to J.K. Rowling at dinner:

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/people,2155,michelle-obama-wins-over-londoners-and-gets-a-royal-hug-at-the-palace,80099

“The big question was whether the First Lady would bare those famous arms. For the visit to Buckingham Palace, she chose to cover up in a black jacket and white top. But by the time she attended last night’s Jamie Oliver-cooked dinner in Downing Street, where she sat between J K Rowling and Dame Kelly Holmes, she had indeed changed to a sleeveless ivory top.”

Gee, I wonder who made that seating arrangement? And, I’m pretty darn sure Michelle had plenty of time to talk with Rowling while waiting for her full course meal.

So, having researched this all day long, I’m confident that  Obama knows of J.K. Rowling’s political leanings and has a hidden agenda in promoting her to children as an individual to be emulated.

Now, after all that, it must be said that I have read most of the Harry Potter books and I have enjoyed them.  However, it was those same books that first clued me in to J.K. Rowling’s Socialist/Communist leanings.  It is subtle, but it’s in there if you open your eyes.  Perhaps at a later date, I will delve into that subject.

Cheers,

Dr. Bulldog

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29 Comments on “The Socialist Stylings of J.K. Rowling”

  1. ciccio Says:

    I am going to have to quote Unicef, who state that child poverty in Europe is led by Sweden, with some 21% of children in a single parent home. Second is the UK. It would seen according to the UN statistics that the leading cause of child poverty is being born a bastard.
    A government that favours a single parent, insofar as offering higher benefits to singles than to married couples is the major contributor to child poverty.
    In other words, the leading cause of child poverty in the UK is government policy.


  2. The irony of the wealthy socialists’ dystopia never seems to cross their mind. Of course in a socialist world, JK would be honored with medals and a few ‘gifts’ from the state but she would never receive the lavish richness and wealth of the capitalist state for her writings. No her wealth would be taken by the state. I wonder if JK’s accountants work at trying to protect her wealth from the socialist UK govt? You bet they do. I also wonder if she sees the suffering the indigenous people of England caused by the evil immigration she supports? Does she see Islam as evil or an equal culture? For socialists, there are so many contradictions their socialist goals create. JK is a bitter woman because her single parenthood was so difficult and she blames capitalism for that, yet now, because she succeeded in capitalism, it gives her the wealth that she uses to destroy it. But she is only one of many wealthy people who are hell bent on govt control and confiscation of wealth from the individuals and the ‘redistribution of wealth’ to the masses. The irony never seems to be recognized by them.

    • Margo Says:

      Socialists and Communists never support The Cause unless they think there is something ultimately in it for them…that they’ll somehow be excluded from the dismal little realities of the system they espouse. Its what happens when emotion, rather than logic, is used to form one’s political world view. Of course you’re correct in your assessment that Rowling has ways to keep her fortune safe while she works to pillage the wealth of others. She’s gotten herself into a position of power in a circle of friends who are nothing if not as self interested as the Capitalists they vilify so stridently. Irony? Definitely.

  3. Bob Says:

    I’ve come to the conclusion that it must be very easy to be a socialist when you have gazillions of dollars/pounds sitting in the bank!
    As John pointed out, The irony is lost on them.

    • Gramfan Says:

      This is also how I see it. It’s always the wealthy that love this form of govt. Look at Mike Moore,Oliver Stone just in the last few days.

      I think they like it because if marxism takes hold in the west they will be the elites – which of course they are already!Just more political power.

      Us poor plebs will have to cop it sweet – not them.

      I have not read any Harry Potter books but I have seen most of the films.

      All I can say is that she tapped in to an area of fantasy that was sorely in need of a revival.

      I consider her to be completely unoriginal also.

      As a child I was brought up on Enid Blyton books – like the “Magic Faraway Tree” etc etc. These were filled with goblins and pixies and witches etc etc.

      Blyton eventually became “politically incorrect” because her books featured ‘gollywogs’, and in the Noddy series there was a line, “Noddy woke up feeling a little queer”!
      Language is dynamic!

      IMO Rowling was able to combine the ‘magic’ element with the good versus evil themes we had seen in the Star Wars, Indiana Jones and Lord of the Rings etc movies, not to forget the “Narnia” books as well.

      (Yes, I know the “Narnia” books have a stronger religious message and the antidote to them was “The Golden Compass book”. The film was dreadful!)

      Doc, you have done an amazing amount of work on Rowling – who would have ‘thunk’ she was so subversive?

  4. Mab Says:

    JK Rowling says of her commie hero, “I love the way she never outgrew some of her adolescent traits…”

    I have a sneaking feeling there are overgrown adolescents all over this great country of ours who have become somewhat wiser — but still have our spirit of FREEDOM!

    Hopefully Van Jones’ tucking tail & running will be the start of something BIG.

    Twisted Sister’s “We’re Not Gonna Take It” should be our theme song. Even the Dee Sniders of the world grow up to eventually know what’s good for them!

  5. az_conservative Says:

    The problem isn’t so much whether JK Rowling is socialist or not; most of the world’s stars (especially children’s book authors) are. The problem is the dumbing-down of societies so that they cannot think critically about art, writing, movies, etc. Schools seem to discourage critical thinking, for the most part. They favor conformity and PC.

    Critical thinkers don’t conform to authority; they question it. Questioning collectivism rings its death knell.

  6. Mab Says:

    Yeah — what you said, AZ_CON!

  7. NOBAMA_TEEN Says:

    i have read all of the harry potter series and have watched the films out so far. this article was a serious eye opener for me; yet, i do not think that the stories are a serious reflection of her socialist learnings. when i say serious i mean it will affect negatively on kids who read the series. and i don’t think it will. myself, for example, was totally oblivious to it. i just took it as a great series and awesome plotline.

    i do agree with AZ CON aka mom though… critical thinking is vital for life and it isn’t taught much in schools (as i’ve noticed in my highschool there isn’t much time alloted for debate or discussion. the teachers just shove it down our throats.) sooo when we are automatically and suddenly asked to get outside the box and such…we fail. that isn’t good!


    • Ask your mom about supplementing your education with the Trivium Method. Concentrate on the dialectics and the rhetoric stages.

      Cheers

      • Gramfan Says:

        Slightly OT:
        Yesterday my husband met up with some US lawyers here.

        (They are what we call DINKY’s – double income, no kids yet).

        Actually the wife was am elementary school teacher: hubby was the lawyer.
        In their late 30’s..

        By way of a conversation starter my husband commented on how much we admired the Founding Fathers. He then went on to say how impressed we were with the second president. He momentarily forgot the name: John Adams.

        Teacher wife said,”You mean Lincoln?”
        *arrgghh*!

        She teaches kids in elementary school!! Talk about dumbing down.

        He suggested they watch the movie
        “Idiocracy” :) They must be like the couple in the opening scenes or the DINKY couple in “Best In Show”.

        We were gobsmacked!

  8. NOBAMA_TEEN Says:

    cheers to you dr bulldog, for having the patience to look up SO MUCH STUFF on JK Rowling

  9. ciccio Says:

    Gramfan, most of your hit the target, but you have missed the mark on this one. The Narnia series is a must read, it is about Christianity in its purest form.
    The message is about love, sacrivice and redemption.

    • Gramfan Says:

      ciccio
      That’s actually what I meant to say by implication and in a nutshell:)

      “The message is about love, sacrivice and redemption.”
      And faith!

      I think that message came through a lot stronger in “Prince Caspian” which I just watched quite recently.

      Then again, it’s been a while since I watched/read the first book.

      I used to read them to my students many,many years ago, and I hope they got something good out of it.

  10. Maja Says:

    Don’t you agree with anti-bigotry/tolerance of all people? There is no problem with that.

    I’ve got to correct a few Jessica Mitford-related things, though, which is why I am writing.

    “In fact, Jessica Mitford was a card-carrying Communist and was even called up to testify during the infamous Sen. McCarthy hearings. As a side note, Jessica Mitford once lived in Oakland, California. While I was living there, I heard numerous references to her via the Leftist media and local Communist organizations in the Bay Area. Believe me, she was the quintessential Communist.”

    Yes, Jessica was a Communist for most of her life. However, as the article you posted said, she did in fact leave the party, having been disillusioned by Stalinism and its aftereffects. Also, she was certainly not “the quintessential Communist.” Jessica Mitford was not quite the “quintessential” anything. She was really quite unique.

    Nor is Obama Communist, faults as he may have.

    That said, you have made some interesting points.


    • Maja, Maja, Maja…

      Don’t you agree with anti-bigotry/tolerance of all people?

      Nope. Anti-bigotry and Tolerance of all people is a myth.

      Do you tolerate pedophiles?
      Do you tolerate religious zealots who murder others in the name of their god?
      Do you tolerate rapists?
      Do you tolerate white supremacists?

      I can go on and on, but I think you get my point.

      “Jessica Mitford was not quite the “quintessential” anything. She was really quite unique.”

      I stand by my statement: She was the quintessential Communist.

      Blame it on the Theory of Relativity, if you must.

      In the end, it really comes down to one’s own point of view, doesn’t it? While you are more tolerant of socialism/communism light, I am not.
      I have seen and personally experienced Communism while in the USSR.

      My perspective is much different than yours and not clouded by political correctness.

      Obama and the late Jessica Miftord are card carrying Communists.

      Cheers

  11. Maja Says:

    “Nope. Anti-bigotry and Tolerance of all people is a myth.”

    All right — perhaps to an extent that’s true. But blind (or even informed) bigotry against groups of people in general is, to my view of it, the cruelest thing that exists in the world right now (often even advocated by Conservative parties, unfortunately). Specifically, people need to make up their own minds about individual people, not groups — and even then, nothing permits them to ignore any hint of empathy.

    “Do you tolerate pedophiles?
    Do you tolerate religious zealots who murder others in the name of their god?
    Do you tolerate rapists?
    Do you tolerate white supremacists?”

    No, I don’t. Those things aren’t tolerable — but with some luck, it is possible to understand why these people do the things they do (and I don’t doubt you know this!) Are their crimes forgivable? — Maybe. But to me — as you said — it depends on the individual… and whether they have changed, become wiser, experienced more… I don’t think that HATING forcefully and perpetually really accomplishes anything. I’ve done it — I have hated that way — but I call it a personal flaw, something we must all try to overcome.

    I definitely do agree with you that point of view has a lot to do with it. And I agree that Obama has Socialist tendencies, though he could do worse. And I personally am not at all a Communist, so no worries.


    • “All right — perhaps to an extent that’s true. But blind (or even informed) bigotry against groups of people in general is, to my view of it, the cruelest thing that exists in the world right now (often even advocated by Conservative parties, unfortunately).”

      Ah, there you are. You are now lumping an ideological group of people together (Conservatives—who just happen to be the largest ideological group of people in America, I might add) and criticizing them for their beliefs. Shouldn’t one “tolerate” their views, also? I mean, isn’t that tolerance?

      Are their views not just as important as yours? If they wish to be intolerant of schools teaching their children to tolerate homosexuality and wish to keep marriage between a man and a woman, shouldn’t you tolerate their viewpoint, too? To do otherwise, is intolerance, is it not?
      :)

      Ergo, the myth of tolerance…

      “but with some luck, it is possible to understand why these people do the things they do”

      Now, what do you do when you discover a large group of people are committing pedophilia, murder, rape, and discriminating against others because their “religion” tells them that this is acceptable behavior?

      Are you going to tolerate it for fear of being called intolerant and a hateful bigot by others, or are you going to confront it head on and expose it to others so that, through knowledge and action, it may be changed for the better?

      To tolerate this religion would be to endanger the lives of others, and quite possibly your own. Tolerance? Intolerance? Anti-Bigotry? Bigotry? Ticktock-ticktock. I would hope that you choose to be intolerant of this destructive religion—which would make you a bigot.

      Ergo, the myth of anti-bigotry.

      As for hate: Hate is NOT a personal flaw. Even God hates. And yet, theologically speaking, God is perfect. How can this be if hate is a personal flaw?

      It is the focal point of the hate that determines its nature.

      For instance, I hate all ideologies that seek to destroy my God-given rights. Ideologies such as: Communism, Socialism, Totalitarianism, Islamism, etc., etc.

      However, I do NOT hate the individuals, themselves, who make up these “isms.” I hate their ideologies and will fight those ideologies with my last dying breath.

      Do I hate pedophiles, rapists, religious zealots, white supremacists, etc? No,I do not hate the individuals, but rather their perverse ways and the destruction they cause others. That is what I hate and what I fight.

      Ergo, I do not consider hate to be a personal flaw.

      Cheers

  12. Maja Says:

    “Do I hate pedophiles, rapists, religious zealots, white supremacists, etc? No,I do not hate the individuals, but rather their perverse ways and the destruction they cause others. That is what I hate and what I fight.”

    Yes. Exactly. Likewise! :)

    I don’t think it is wrong to hate (there are many things I hate.) I do think it is wrong to hate individuals so thoroughly that you cannot consider what has made them that way.

    I believe God loves. And so.

    I don’t know of any religion that actually advocates the things you’ve said — Islam as a philosophy is actually quite tame — but the extremist Fundamentalism that has come out of certain groups, such as the nonsense going on in part of the Middle East, does fit that (though it’s more terrorism than religion, isn’t it?)

    I do not think it’s right for ANYONE, no matter their political affiliations, to teach that bigotry is okay. I’m not lumping Conservatives as a whole together; what I’m saying is that SOME parties do advocate certain kinds of intolerance in some cases, and I don’t like that. It’s equally true of Liberal parties. This being a Conservative blog (I think?), that’s what I decided to mention. I am not judging the people themselves; simply their decision to allow this kind of thing to go on.

    Am I intolerant of intolerance? Yes. And yes, it’s a bit of a paradox. But it’s what I believe and what allows me to live with myself…

    I think there are far, far worse things.

    Thanks :)


    • “I don’t know of any religion that actually advocates the things you’ve said — Islam as a philosophy is actually quite tame…”

      Yes, Islam as a philosophy is quite tame. So is Nazism, Communism, Socialism, etc.

      But, we aren’t waxing philosophically, now are we? When we talk about Islam, Nazism, Communism, Socialism, etc., we are talking about their practical application in the field, are we not?

      Before I continue with your above statement that I have quoted and italicized, let me first address your paradox—or, “cognitive dissonance,” as I like to call it (believe me, I once thought as you when I was younger…Perhaps that is why I enjoy debating with you so much):

      “Am I intolerant of intolerance? Yes. And yes, it’s a bit of a paradox. But it’s what I believe and what allows me to live with myself…”

      If you are intolerant of intolerance, then why do you tolerate Islam?

      Islam is intolerant of Christians. Don’t believe me? Book a flight to Islam central in the un-Holy City of Mecca, Saudi Arabia and be sure to wear a cross around your neck and pack a Bible and some pork rinds in your suitcase for good luck.

      What do you think is going to happen in a country where Islam is the law of the land? And, you can’t say this bigotry is due to Islamic extremism—it is the law! Islamic law gets its jurisprudence from the Qur’an and the Hadiths. If something is not permitted in Islam, it simply will NOT be allowed by law. Bigotry is absolutely allowed in Islam. Ever wonder why Muslims hate the Jews so much and are always at war with them? It’s not because of Israel—that is just an excuse—it is because of this:

      “The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Moslems make war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: ‘Oh Moslem, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'” (Sahih Bukhari 004.52.176 and 177)

      Still not convinced? Try proselytizing while you are in ANY Islamic country.

      You do know that Islamists actually kill Christians for proselytizing, don’t you? It’s the law. If the majority of Muslims felt it was against Islam and way too “extreme,” then it would not be.

      Heck, you don’t even have to be a Christian to be killed by Islamists. Just go to any crowded intersection in an Islamic country and start yelling out something like, “Islam sucks!” And, “That illiterate false prophet, Muhammad, can kiss my butt!”

      But, better have that life insurance policy paid off, first… Why? Because Islamic law allows for killing “blasphemers.” That’s not extremism, that is just Islam. If it were “extreme,” Islamic law wouldn’t permit it.

      Therefore, based on your own personal beliefs, you MUST NOT tolerate Islam, else, according to your own statement, you would not be able to live with yourself…

      Now, having got that out of the way, let us continue where we left off:

      Hmmm… Where to start with your Islamic education…

      Okay, let me make a few statements that I want you to memorize the gist of:

      In Islam, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. EVERYTHING that Muhammad says, it is as if Allah himself had said it! There is no debating this.

      Those who do not obey the messenger and what he says are doomed to hell fire for eternity.

      Note: Immediately following each quote from the Qur’an is the Sura number and the translation used.

      And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom. S. 48:17 Pickthall

      Whoso obeyeth the messenger hath obeyed Allah, … S. 4:80 Pickthall

      Those who wish to pick and choose what Hadiths and Qur’anic Suras they will adhere to and which ones they will ignore, are doomed. In other words; You either practice them ALL or you are doomed:

      It is not for any believer, man or woman, when God and His Messenger have decreed a matter, to have the choice in the affair. Whosoever disobeys God and His Messenger has gone astray into manifest error. S. 33:36 Arberry

      Those who do not follow the example of Muhammad are also doomed.

      And verily, you (O Muhammad) are on an exalted standard of character. S. 68:4 Hilali & Khan

      Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much. S. 33:21 Hilali & Khan

      ALL Muslims must follow these precepts if they wish to see Paradise.

      In other words, true adherents of Islam MUST follow EVERYTHING Muhammad said and model themselves after him if they want to see Paradise. Those who pick and chose from the Islam as they see fit are not Muslims, they are apostates—I didn’t say it, Muhammad said it. With that in mind, let me walk you through the darkness:

      Muhammad married a 6-year-old girl named Aisha and had sex with her when she was only 9-years-old—before she hit puberty! Therefore, pedophilia is acceptable in Islam.

      Muhammad told his followers that it was okay to have sex with slaves. Now, remember that many of these “slaves” were women whose husbands had been killed by the very men who enslaved them. Do you really think they were willingly giving themselves to their husbands’ murderers? Therefore, rape is acceptable in Islam.

      Muhammad told his followers to “slay the infidels.” Not only that, but on numerous occasions, he had his critics assassinated. Furthermore, he was a mass-murderer as he ordered over 600 prisoners (young boys and men—and at least one woman) beheaded while he sat and watched the carnage. Not to mention that he and his followers frequently raided neighboring villages, killing, raping, plundering, and enslaving as they went along. Remember, Muhammad is “an exalted standard of character” and “a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day.” Therefore, murder is acceptable in Islam.

      Muhammad told his followers not to take Christians and Jews as friends and that Christians were the “worst of men.” Therefore, discrimination and bigotry are acceptable in Islam.

      Now, with all that in mind, I will turn you over to some ex-Muslims. True, I could quote the Hadiths and Sura’s for you, but it has a heck of a lot more impact when it comes from people who have been Muslim since birth:

      Islam says Pedophilia is acceptable:

      CLICK HERE

      Islam says rape is acceptable:

      CLICK HERE (Excellent, but, I must warn you that it is long. Read it when you have time to absorb it.)

      Islam says murder, bigotry, and discrimination are acceptable:

      CLICK HERE

      Finally, if you need a quick read that encompasses all of the above, and is something you can show to others:

      CLICK HERE – (This just came out a couple of days ago).

      Remember, these are ex-Muslims who have lived and breathed Islam since birth. They KNOW Islam!

      Sure, you can ignore all of this and you might even be so inclined as to not even click on a single link—even after all of the work that I have put into this comment, because I have enjoyed our conversation and care enough about you to expand your horizons—but that would be willful ignorance, wouldn’t it? You make your own choices in life (well, at least until the government gets around to taking that option away), so choose carefully.

      You now know of a religion that actually advocates those things I’ve listed and those things you agree “aren’t tolerable.”

      Now, how will you justify that paradox to yourself if you now tolerate an intolerable Islam?

      You see, I have no such paradox; I believe in a judiciously righteous intolerance.

      Cheers

  13. ciccio Says:

    Maja, you are way out of whack when you say that Islam is tame. Read the koran, it is extremist, it is not a philosophy, it is way of life. It commands its followers to hate all those who do not follow the Babylonian moon god. It commands its followers to “smite the neck” of those who do not follow Islam, it commands its followers to exact a tax on those who do not follow Islam. In short it commands its followers to hate and despise and persecute all those who do not follow Islam.

  14. Maja Says:

    doctorbulldog;

    Every one of the links you posted were from the same source — a biased source. Therefore I cannot take them into honest consideration.

    I have met so many Muslims who are selfless and kind…

    I have heard about so many who aren’t…

    I don’t know what to say.

    I have had exactly the same experience with Jews, Christians and others. There are people of every religion who will find ways to advocate perversion and cruelty.

    I have a friend whose religion (a form of Christianity) teaches her to believe that EVERYTHING in the Bible is true, including the bits about slavery and the degradation of women. And mostly she ignores those parts, even though it is against her religion. And I think that is good of her.

    I am certainly not saying that all Muslims are necessarily wonderful people that I would like to invite to dinner. To say that would be fantastically naive. But it is true that the conceptions we currently have of Muslims are fueled by the war, and the struggle we see happening there. We do not get a clear idea of Muslims in general from non-biased sources.

    And despite the perverse things that Islamic Fundamentalists are taught, they are still people underneath. They live for the same things we do; they have families, hopes, ambitions, hearts. You can still be a good person and live in dreadful circumstances; you can commit terrible things and still feel remorse. These things aren’t arguable. This is being a person.

    Cynical or not, intolerant or not, you still have to make a choice at some point in your life as to how you are going to justify your existence, or whether you are going to justify it at all. You can choose whether to be positive or to be negative. Whether to focus on improvements or on contradictions.

    I am not going to despise people for being intolerant of me. Instead I am going to be sorry for them, and hope that they learn.

    What I really despise is bigotry. “Cognitive dissonance” or not.

    And I think, despite her Communism, that Jessica Mitford was an EXTREMELY admirable person — she did a lot about racism, for example, and was ardently anti-fascist. Also, you can’t really blame her for being a Communist — her sisters were utterly in love with Hitler and certainly no-one knew what was going to happen in Russia back then. At the time there were no grounds to fight against it.

    As for J.K. Rowling, she has donated enormous amounts to Multiple Sclerosis charities, done a lot for poverty, helped institutionalized children in Eastern Europe, and helped a little English girl recovering from meningitis gain a pair of artificial hands.

    ciccio;

    The very fundamentals of Islam are tame. Details are not, but then there are parts of the Bible that also aren’t. There are varieties of Islam that say you can’t pick and choose; there are varieties of Christianity that say you can’t pick and choose. I haven’t got a clue whether or not you’re a Christian, but being intolerant of one is not good grounds for being tolerant of the other.

    The End. I do respect everyone’s opinion — the world would be VERY boring if everyone agreed with me! — and it has been interesting to hear all of this.

    God Bless America!

  15. ciccio Says:

    Firstly, all forms Islams insist the every words of the koran is the direct word of God, including all the crap in it, the earth is flat, the sun sinks into a pool every night. There is an equal amount if ignorance in the bible and all Christians accept that the bible was inspired by God, but written by very fallible men in the context of the time they lived in. We have edited our bibles and disregard most of the old testament and read it only o understand the beliefs at the time. As far as most of Christianity is concerned, the new testament is our one and only bible. By the way Dr. Bulldog, Christians are not even allowed to enter Mecca. They would be executed on the spot. I would suggest all Western capitals be declared holy cities and the same rules applied.

  16. Abdullah Elija Says:

    Dr. Bulldog

    I am certain you remember me. We exchange emails in the past. For those who do not know me, I am a ex-Muslim.

    Like many Maja has alraedy been brainwashed by Islamic apologists and media lap dogs. The articles you linked were from different authors and were published originaly in other sources. Yet Maja discounts thier report because they are now on one site. As you once said to me, “willful ignorance is suicide of the mind; the body naturally follows”. It is to bad Maja choses to willfuly ignore Amil Amani’s words in a article you linked:

    For one, multiculturalism and multi-religionism are not interchangeable and are not one and the same. Muslims and their frequently well-paid apologists use the multiculturalism umbrella only in non-Islamic lands to shield themselves from the torrent of legitimate criticisms that those who know Islam better shower on this cult of violence peddled as the religion of peace.

    Don’t listen to me and don’t listen to these conniving dissimulators. Find out for yourself. See if the euphemism of multiculturalism is ever even mentioned by any Islamic leader, ever printed in the Islamic press, or ever appears in any form anywhere in Muslim countries. This multiculturalism gambit is Islam manufactured wool to pull over the eyes of the non-Muslims while the Muslims carry on with their unrelenting campaign of eradicating anything or anyone non-Islamic anywhere in the world.

    Those of us, through reason and tremendous act of will, who have freed ourselves from the enslaving yoke of Islam placed around our necks from birth, know about all the heinous inside dirt of this plague of humanity. We hardly need to call a toll-free number to hear a phony canned message of deceptions and lies.

    We have experienced Islam first-hand and up close from the inside. We have studied the Quran, the Hadith, and the Sunna. We have seen Islam in action where it wields sway. Some of us even tried desperately to cling to this security blanket that was wrapped around us from birth. Yet, the more we studied and the more we experienced Islam, the more our effort to remain in the fold became untenable.

    We broke away from Islamic slavery and found it to be our solemn duty to expose this fraud of a religion, help other Muslims to free themselves from it, and warn the good-hearted and gullible non-Muslims against falling prey to it.

    Like many Maja is good-hearted and gullible.

    Salaam my freind.


    • Abdullah,

      Good to hear from you again, my friend!

      Where have you been for the past couple of years? Your English has improved immensely. Are you taking classes? How’s the wife? How are your kids doing?

      Send me an Email, I’d love to get caught up on everything.

      Cheers

  17. islams not for me Says:

    Obviously Im late for this conversation:

    “Maja Says: ”
    “1 October, 2009 at 7:24 pm ”
    “doctorbulldog;”

    “Every one of the links you posted were from the same source — a biased source. Therefore I cannot take them into honest consideration.”

    The reason for maja to not consider what ex muslims have to say about islamic theology, ideology and doctrine is that she is too willing to put all religions into a ‘religious sycrentism’.

    She simply doesnt want to consider the possibility that islam as a system is theocratic system of madness, murder and criminality.


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