Mohammed, the Movie! The man that would be prophet
A movie about the islamic prophet mohammed. This is a no win scenario. If old mo is shown in his historical role of common thief (caravan raider), pedophile (rapist of his child bride), slaver, murderer, warlord excreta; then a blood crazed muslim will attempt to kill the cast and crew. On the other hand, if the movie shows old mo to be master of the world and great all around guy, then a blood crazed muslim will attempt to kill the cast and crew for portraying his likeness on film. No matter what, this will be fun to watch.
By Raissa, 3 Nov, 09, Waleg
Would you watch a movie about prophet Mohammed if there was one? The thought might not have entered your mind yet but, you’d better start thinking about it because there is a plan to make a movie about him. The plan to make the Prophet Mohammed movie was announced at the closing of the Tribeca Film Festival on Sunday. And it seems that the plan is very solid indeed since the producer has been named already.
-I am all for this idea, no matter what happens on screen this movie will have plenty of free press (advertising) and some follower of the ideology we all know as “islam” will do something incredibly stupid and blame it on movie.
The producer is not just anybody. Does the name Barrie Osborne ring a bell? He is the one who produced ‘The Lord of the Rings” and “The Matrix.”
-I was hoping for the guy that did “Transformers.” The way mo changes from murderer to role model; I think it would be a better fit. No matter, I liked those other movies and I do have a small interest in islam.
According to reports, the film will be financed by the Qatari media company Al Noor Holdings. Care to take a guess how much the allocated budget is? They are going to work on a $150 million budget! With a kind of budget, I think this film is going to be something to be reckoned with and definitely worth watching out for.
-Good point, watch for packages left under your seat and sweaty bearded guys wearing backpacks.
The film is going to depict the events in Prophet Mohammed’s life including the influence he made on others. Aside from that, this English language film also aims to “educate people about the true meaning of Islam.”
-Doesn’t seem fair; Doc and I have attempted to “educate people about the true meaning of Islam” for years and no one gave us a single dime. Historical films always take a few liberties, I hope this one will end with old mo atop a large building swatting at biplanes.
Since most of the money for this movie is coming from islamic countries I doubt my ending will make the cut but you never know.
4 November, 2009 at 4:24 am
There is a movie called The Messenger, when made it had Anthony Quinn in it. It was done dipicting the times and The Prophet Mohammed was not shown in it but they did do at times a perspective as if the camera was His eyes. Anthony Quinn played Abu Bakr. In the Arabic Version which they filmed simultaneosly sharing most footage, a famous Arab actor did the role of Anthony Quinn.
The article you put is rather stupid and another example of ignorance and bad sources, considering that the person was unaware that there is a film.
Considering the topic, it is obvious that sensitivity abounds. Also it is just as blatantly obvious that the majority of the Muslim world is still in developing countries and at a minimum strongly conservative in its faith. So it has to be taken into consideration the reactions of such film topics, rather like when Philipinos burned down cinimas that was goint to show Monty Python’s the Life of Brian. Do we declare them as barbaric?
The other point is I will continue to tak you to task over the comments of “paedophilia” which is inacurate and wrong. Also declaring him a thief is also wrong. I stated before and I will state it again, he was a tribal leader and thus tribal laws, punishments and habits were there. Jesus was a Jew and partook in typical Jewish-Aramaic habits and more than likely partook in styles and actions that if recorded in depth like Mohammed would probably have also seemed inappropriate to today’s standards. Simarly, if we take the Old Testiment on its words, Abraham was a dirty-old-man, David was a terrorist and Moses was even worse.
To singularly pick out and interpret is I think inapproriate and a mistake. I like to repeat a saying that I grew up with – “if you wish to quote history then all of history must be quoted”.
Cheers
4 November, 2009 at 4:34 am
I will add one more thing, the film can be made with the best of intentions, sanctioned by Mecca and unlike the first film that was made, in this particularly bad political-radical climate, OBL and The Brotherhood will say the money making it is “dirty money”, will start a rumour in Pakistan and so cinemas will be burned or bombed and some of the actor’s life will be threatened.
Apart from that, I hope they do a good job, I am 100 per cent certain they will follow the rules of that first film and He will not be shown but only his shadow or from “his perspective camera views”. If anything, I think this film will be a remake of 1976 fim “The Messenger”…. Anthonly Quinn in fact played Hamza, not Abu Bakr – my mistake.
Cast:
Anthony Quinn … Hamza
Irene Papas … Hind
Michael Ansara … Abu Sofyan
Johnny Sekka … Bilal
Michael Forest … Khalid
Damien Thomas … Zaid
go to IMDB for a run-down – http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074896/ sorry, do not know how to make correct links.
4 November, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Jesus was a Jew and partook in typical Jewish-Aramaic habits and more than likely partook in styles and actions that if recorded in depth like Mohammed would probably have also seemed inappropriate to today’s standards.
Solkhar Says:
4 November, 2009 at 4:24 am
Well A big FU to you and your blasphemy. Historical records show Jesus healed the sick, cured the blind and taught love and salvation. Funny you cannot quote one single record to back up you blasphemy and yet, you the “moderate” cough hack Sunni Muslim reject the historical record of your “prophet Mohammad” even from Sunni sources. This exposes you and the lie of the “moderate Muslim”.
5 November, 2009 at 4:04 am
LH,
Your posting is an example of “I am better than you” or “my faith is better than your faith” arrogance that embarasses the West constantly.
As far as I am concerned, your response of “blasphemy” is like those of extremist, radical and ultra-conservative Muslims when they get all sh*tty when someone talks about their faith and you do not like it. Thus, to use your phrase – FU back.
I still will continue on the line that 1) I also believe that Jesus (Issa) was a Prophet of God and a great one, thus I am the last one to criticise Him at all. 2) there is only the most vague references to Jesus’s actual life and habits, even the recent and more accurate Aramaic texts are brief to say the least, only showing specific examples and not the broad style of His life. So I am not saying He did this or He did that, I am saying that He probably represented life and culture at that time of which, if looked at in the standards of the 21st century will not all be glowing.
I stand by that statement.
4 November, 2009 at 7:02 am
How is the pedophilia comment wrong? Wasn’t Muhammad in his 50’s and Aisha 9 years old when he married her?
4 November, 2009 at 8:57 am
That is well disputed, historians and basic facts of historical events make the age of Aisha obviously not aged 6 at betrothal and 9 at marriage. The problem is, though is both Muslim and non-Muslim scholars and historians, the radicals and extremists will refuse to listen to facts because 1. it was mistakenly said so by Bhukari and secon, it changes the way pathetic tribalists want to have the world and dominate women and children.
Basically, she was probably between 12 and 14 when betrothed (promissed) and somewhere between 15 and 16 when actually married, which also then makes sense to typical tribal practices of the time and even to this day in many parts of the world – Muslim and non-Muslim.
The subject for me is rather puzzling because it is a matter of simple fact and research and would be to the better advantage to the Muslims to discuss and work it out simply but the ultra-conservatives and radicals will not because Bhukari is said to be one of the “unquestionable haddiths” which I and many Muslims reject – because who said it was unquestionable? Other such haddith writters, neither the Profit or the first 3 Caliphes.
You can see one such calculation of dates and refernces to events of the age at http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm.
4 November, 2009 at 11:59 am
I find it quite interesting how no one disputed the age of Aisha until the modern age when Islamic scholars suddenly realized that the West frowns on such marriages.
After listening to both sides of this argument, I believe Aisha was about 9 or 10 when Muhammad consummated the marriage. Nothing anyone has ever shown me to the contrary has convinced me otherwise. All the contrary theories use fuzzy math and logic in an effort to support their theories which go against ALL the numerous recorded statements which flatly state that Aisha was 9 when Muhammad bedded down with her.
Also, the preponderance of the evidence supports the claim that she was pre-pubescent when Muhammad took her into his bed. Why else would she be playing with dolls?
‘A’isha reported that Allah’s Apostle married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house AS A BRIDE WHEN SHE WAS NINE, AND HER DOLLS WERE WITH HER; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311)
I really don’t see why Muslims have such a problem with Muhammad having sex with a 9-year-old pre-pubescent girl. After all, times were different back then and we shouldn’t use our current standard of morality when viewing history—unless, of course, Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha wasn’t even acceptable by those antiquated standards.
But, that’s for Muslims to decide.
Cheers
5 November, 2009 at 4:12 am
Actually, the argument I think is very strong and No, it was not typical of that time to have sexw ith a prepubescent girl and the aguments, events and times if anything confirm what history has shown us, that 1) pubity was first required and that the importance was the age of childbearing for the simple reason of keeping the trible community alive.
The othere examples and arguments that were given – I am searching them again on the net as I am in Rabat and not in Marrakech and thus using my laptop – points out that the sources of Bukhari and Sahi Musim were based on Aisha’s own accounts and that she also contradicts herself later by saying she did not know how old she is. Add to this that 7th century Arab society, most people did not know their ages as it was not considered important in a mostly nomadic society.
The act of promissing someone was obviously a tribal habit that continues to this day – as marriages were clan-to-clan negotiations. Rural India still does the same to this day as well.
Also, in the reference that I posted, it pointed out some “impossibilities” in dates that are known.
But, in the end, what counts as so many have tried to state but for the wrong reasons is that Muslims have been brought up to accept the Haddiths as something akin to divine and thus they are accepting it. It is rather like the links to the Papacy being without question to Catholics and they have to wait for the Pope to annouce that something is actually not correct. That is the real backwardness of the Muslim World.
I would rather stick to basic math and facts.
5 November, 2009 at 10:02 am
She was playing with dolls when going to bed with Muhammad.
You don’t need any fuzzy math to figure out what that means in an Islamic society.
Cheers
5 November, 2009 at 5:35 pm
DocBulldog, are you asuming that playing with dolls is an example of being a child? Are you also assuming that having dolls in the 7th century compared to the 21st century is much the same?
Up to the 17th century in Northern Europe, paricularly what is now The Netherlands and Germany “playing with dolls” was actually more an adult habit amongst married women then with children.
Additionally, dolls were considered very valuable luxury items and not just play-things but learning tools.
My grandmother (Dutch/French national) had dolls that she laid out on her bed and even talked to until she died at 88yrs.
Basically what I am saying is that using the “doll” excuse is not valid and smacks of Robert-Spencer agenda.
6 November, 2009 at 11:31 am
You would think that even if the standards of the day are not very good the holy prophet of god would still be held to a higher standard. Would not Allah know that it is wrong to bed down with a child? Would Allah not tell his prophet that such acts are wrong? Would not the holy prophet of Allah listen when told such things?
Or in reality is the Prophet just a man that figured out that he could invent a cult to gain power and use his title as a prophet to get what he want, money, power and woman? Scientology does the same thing, they just stay away from touching kids.
4 November, 2009 at 7:36 am
Mo-mo was not a bad guy… he was just recently drawn bad. I love the way the Muzzles always try and spin the Bible into it. “Yea, see Jesus was a killer too… it’s just a culture thing… you wouldn’t understand” – sure thing All Star, just like the culture of death called islam.
The hardcore followers of islam are brainwashed, just open your eyes and see them lie & kill all in the name of a thief turned sideshow prophet who actually told folks to rape, pillage and of course murder. He cherry picked stuff from a bunch of different religions to make his little stint in history and the dumbasses at the time were too stupid to understand that it was a total sham… I’m sure the whole “I’ll fukin kill you (or tax the shit out of you) if you don’t SUBMIT to my nice and loving new religion I made up” might have something to do with it huh? What happened to the folks that made fun of mo’s nonsense back in the day? They were killed, just like Jesus from “the book people” killed folks that did not believe him right… right?
Islam is and has always been a death cult. No matter how you hard you try to shine a turd it’s still a turd. Islam preaches hate and totally belittles Women folk and I’m sort of partial to them folk so I say take your backwards ass religion and shove it.
4 November, 2009 at 7:54 am
“Islam is and has always been a death cult. No matter how you hard you try to shine a turd it’s still a turd.”
Yes, but you can roll it in glitter, & my guess is that is exactly what Al Noor will do with its planned movies.
4 November, 2009 at 4:26 pm
ROTFLMAO…and again.
Big Scott is right on the money!
4 November, 2009 at 9:06 am
It is sad when people just stereotype and go all defencive without bothering to listen and read.
I am tired of saying it but will continue, if you start reciting history then be prepared to have all of it on the table or none. Thus it is not bagging or referring to “other religions do it to” but saying that have documented evidence of the life and times of Mohammed and thus you start judging it based on life of today and yet you will avoid like the plague and references to Moses, Abraham and Jesus because if you had exact details of life and lifestyle you will have also plenty to say based on “your” criteria to critiize. No one said that Jesus would threaten life. Oh, just to clarify your obviously poor knowledge of Islam and the Qur’an, it does not say anywhere that it has ordered to “kill folk that did not believe him”…..
The only shiny turd that I smell is the arogant BS on the finger of the anal retentive a-holes who mouth off childish gibberish.
4 November, 2009 at 9:37 am
OK, Dominic, perhaps you would like to present the numerous verses in the koran which call on its followers to kill, slay, behead, maim or cause harm to people who are not followers of allah and his false prophet.
“kill folk that did not believe him” seems like a pretty accurate paraphrasing of “allah’s” proclivity for murder and mayhem, expressed through the lives & actions of its deluded followers.
Sura 8:39 “Make war upon [unbelievers] until idolatry is no more and [allah's] religion reigns supreme” sounds close enough to an order to kill folk that did not believe.
Make war upon unbelievers = kill folk that don’t believe as far as I am concerned, but
if “allah” had a different meaning in mind he can find another false prophet & issue a bug fix.
5 November, 2009 at 4:14 am
“Repetition does not prove accuracy”
Your all trying to have a go at someone else interpeting the Bible and consider it cr*p and yet you try to do the same. Double-standards just abound here!
4 November, 2009 at 10:34 am
“Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal harshly with them.”
He really ment to say make love on the unbelivers.. right?
Yea, I’m a real sterotyper… I’ve read the Koran and found it a bit odd to say the very least, no flow and a bunch of hate. It’s been told that mo could neither read or write so how did he actually write the Koran? From what I read it was actually written like 70 years after he died. The part about me going “All defensive” is pretty freaking funny consider it’s coming from a guy who’s religon preaches killing of everyone that does not bow to it’s whims.
Lets look at some of the love in the koran… (I know.. Out of context)
Hadith Sahih Muslim (4363) “You (the Jews) should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle and I wish to expel you from this land (Arabia)
Qur’an (4366) “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims.”
(Qur’an 48:29) “Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other.”
Qur’an (60:4) “Enmity and hatred will reign between us until ye believe in Allah alone.”
Qur’an (8:39) (2:193) “Make war on them until idolatory does not exist any longer and Allah’s religion reigns universally.”
Qur’an (9:123) “Fight the unbelievers in your surroundings, and let them find harshness in you.”
Qur’an (9:5) “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them, capture and besiege them and prepare for them every kind of ambush.”
Qur’an (5:72-73) “For he who believes in the Trinity, “the Fire will be his abode ‘ a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemer.”
On the allah love fest…
(Qur’an 13:13) “He flingeth the thunderbolts and striketh whomsoever He will.”
(Qur’an 16:70) “Some are sent back by Us to a feeble age, so that they know nothing after having known much.”
Qur’an (21:11) “How many were the populations We utterly destroyed because of their iniquities.”
Qur’an (64:11) “No kind of calamity can occur, except by the permission of Allah.”
Qur’an (2:10) “In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease and grievous is their Penalty.”
Qur’an (2:20)” Allah can take away the faculty of hearing and seeing; for Allah hath power over all things.”
Qur’an (2:65) “To those who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath, We said to them: “Be ye apes despised and rejected.”
Qur’an (2:213) “Allah guides whom He will to a path that is straight.”
Qur’an (2:253) “If Allah had so willed, succeeding generations should not have fought among each other (over religion).”
Qur’an (2:269) “He granteth wisdom to whom He pleaseth.”
Qur’an (2:284) “Allah forgiveth whom He pleases and punishes whom He pleases.”
Qur’an (3:6) “He it is Who shapes you in the womb as He pleases.”
Qur’an (3:47) “Allah createth what He willeth.”
Qur’an (4:89) “‘ if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them.”
Qur’an (5:33) “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messengers ‘ is execution or crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides.”
Qur’an (5:38) “As to the thief, male or female cut off his or her hands.”
Qur’an (5:45) “We ordained for them: Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, wounds equal for equal.”
(Qur’an 5:60) “Those who incurred the wrath of Allah ‘ He transformed into apes and swine.”
!Qur’an 6:65) “He hath power to send calamities on you, from above and below.”
Qur’an (6:95) “And He is the One to cause the dead to issue forth from the living.”
Qur’an (6:137) “If Allah had willed, they would not have done so. (slaughtered their children).”
Qur’an (6:165) “It is He Who hath made you ‘ inheritors of the earth: He hath raised you on ranks, some above others: that He may try you in the gifts He hath given you.”
Qur’an (8:12) “Allah called on the angels to “smite all their finger tips off them. (the unbelievers)”
Qur’an (10:88) “And send hardness to their hearts so they will not believe until they see the grievous Penalty.”
Qur’an (10:99) “If it had been the Lord’s Will they would have all believed.”
Qur’an (13:8) “Allah doth know what every female womb doth bear.”
Qur’an (13:26) “Allah doth ‘ grant ‘ the sustenance to whom so He pleases.”
Qur’an (14:7) “But if ye show ingratitude, Truly My Punishment is terrible indeed.”
Qur’an (17:13) “Every man’s fate We have fastened on his neck.”
Qur’an (17:46) “And We put coverings over their hearts lest they should understand the Qur’an.”
Qur’an (17:68) “Do you feel secure ‘ that He will not send against you a violent tornado.”
Qur’an (17:69) or that “He will not send a heavy gale to drown you at sea because of your ingratitude.”
Qur’an (19:86) “And We shall drive the sinners to Hell, like thirsty cattle driven to water.”
Qur’an (21:15) “And that cry of theirs ceased not, till We made them as a field that is mown, as ashes silent and quenched.”
Qur’an (23:41) “Then the earthquake overtook them with justice as We made them as rubbish of dead leaves – so away with the people who do wrong.”
Qur’an (24:2) “The woman and the man guilty of zina (fornication) flog each of them with a hundred lashes ‘ and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.”
Qur’an (28:40) “So We seized him and his hosts and We flung them into the sea.”
Qur’an (28:81) “Then We caused the earth to swallow him (Qarun) up and his house ‘”
Qur’an (30:34) “Then enjoy your brief day, but soon ye will know your folly.”
Qur’an (35:45) “If Allah were to punish men according to what they deserve He would not leave on earth a single living creature.”
Qur’an (40:5) “It was I that seized them. And how terrible was My Requital.”
Qur’an (40:85) “And even thus did the rejecters of Allah perish utterly.”
Qur’an (42:49) “He leaves barren (of children) whom He will.”
Qur’an (44:16) “One day We shall seize you with a mighty onslaught: We will indeed then exact Retribution.”
Qur’an (47:4) “When ye meet the Unbelievers in jihad smite at their necks.”
Qur’an (47:23) “Such are the men whom Allah has cursed for He has made them deaf and blinded their sight.”
Qur’an (47:34) “Those ‘ who die rejecting Allah, Allah will not forgive them.”
Qur’an (48:17) “And he who turns back (in the jihad) Allah will punish him with a grievous Penalty.”
Qur’an (56:55) “Indeed ye shall drink (the Boiling Water) like diseased camels raging with thirst.”
Qur’an (82:8) “In whatever form He wills does He put thee together.”
“I don’t care if you worship rocks just don’t throw it them at me. If you do I will bring the whole mountian upon you”
-Me
4 November, 2009 at 10:54 am
Pretty good compilation of “allah’s” calls to war, death, murder and mayhem.
Solkhar / DHH / Dominic Hussain Huntman might dismiss it as “The only shiny turd that I smell is the arogant BS on the finger of the anal retentive a-holes who mouth off childish gibberish”, but it smells like deen spirit to me.
Unfortunately, people are being killed for “allah’s” copious output of murderous gibberish in his hand book of hate (koran).
4 November, 2009 at 11:03 am
Of course, Qur’an (5:72-73) “For he who believes in the Trinity, “the Fire will be his abode ‘ a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemer.” is a direct attack on God, and the saints of Jesus Christ, and amounts to a declaration of war by “allah”, its false prophet, and its followers upon God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit …
“And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”
(Matthew 28:18 & 19)
Agenda-driven muslims will dismiss such verses as “prosthelitizing” (sic), but such are the commandments of God.
4 November, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Big Soctt with a slam on moon god worship.
4 November, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Yeah, it does not matter if a small minority of muslims believe old mo was not a pedophile, obviously the vast majority of muslims do believe it.
5 November, 2009 at 4:20 am
Big Scott,
First, the Qur’an was written 19 years after in the presence of those that were present but more importantly with a small army of professional riciters. Facts do help.
Secondly, like I mentioned to the prosthelitizer above, you can quote all you like and make your own interpretations but it goes rather hypocritial if you do not post the entire surah or join like the others into condemning those that paraphrase the Bible but then do so with the Qur’an.
I have absolutely no problem with any of those Qur’anic versus, considering that they reflect life and times, the wars involved in and the issues that existed. What I see is the instructions to those followers and references to those events and we live on them.
If anything, your own hilighting and intepretations tells me that you WANT TO BELIEVE the radicals and extremists and YOU WANT TO BELIEVE taht examples of how life was lived in 7th Century southern Arabia was also somehow an instruction for the rest of eternity. Thus you assume that all Muslims wish or should be living in tents and riding camels. If anything, that correllation rather makes you look ignorant and bigotted.
All I can see in the end is that you have absolutely no understanding of Islam, or the world outside your own neighbourhood and that you simply like to hear and believe the first BS that is given to you.
Not to mention you do not read Duetronomy.
5 November, 2009 at 10:42 am
Ok, Lets debunk your bunk once again…
1st and foremost I couldn’t care less about what anybody wrote back in those days including the Bible, Koran & even Moses’ Deuteronomy. All I care about what is happening right now and what I see coming out of the womb of the death cult called Islam is pure evil, you would have to be a total idiot not to realize that fact. Sorry, but no matter how you try and sugar coat it islam is evil incarnate and has always been. Every Islamic state is full of shit and treat their people like crap. I love debating guys like you, it’s so easy to see through the BS you spew since it’s all the same nonsense. The Muzzy defaults: “it’s taken out of context… “the Jews did it…”“woman love to be beat up and run over..” mo-mo was not a thief or a murderer, it’s just how things were back then…you cannot understand” Sorry bud but the whole islam being peaceful sham is over, we know what you are up too and not buying it any longer. I’m sure there are some folks that worship islam who are not evil but they are not true to their faith as it is written in that book of death you love so much.
Again, I don’t give a rats ass about anything other folks do with their faith but when you are killing others, preaching hate, killing your daughters for being too westernized, beating/killing your wives, burning cars, plotting mass murder and general bad stuff I, (and the rest of the free world) have an issue with that. My brother worked on the 74 floor east side of WTC building one and after that day in September day was over I wanted to know more about what would drive a person to do such horrible things in the name of a sick and twisted religion.
You want to talk about facts? Let’s talk about the so called facts in the koran… (Remember it was god’s word and has to be 100% correct) is the world really flat? Does sperm really come out of men’s spinal column? Sorry to buzz kill your brainwashed high but the facts are that the book was made up to suit a wannabe warlord. You make it seem like you were there as it was written (19 years after the POS was dead) and then try to inform me that it was written “in the presence of those that were present but more importantly with a small army of professional riciters. Facts do help”
Yea, as usual islam needs a small army to keep those guys from writing the truth. You were not there and know absolutely nothing about what really happened in the past.
“…like the others into condemning those that paraphrase the Bible but then do so with the Qur’an”
Again, I don’t care about any books that were written back then; I care about what is happening now. I guess you might not know it but your wonderful religion preaches hate and world domination as the norm. Last time I checked the Bible readers were not beheading folks left and right and I can’t seem to find the bible’s instructions on how to properly beat your spouse but I’m sure you will add that to my collection of unread books. I read about six books a week and find it hilarious that you think I have no understanding of islam… You are the one who does not understand islam…
Now go ahead and tell me that they are just a couple of misunderstand of islam that are doing all the bad stuff and I will tell you that you are full of shit as most of the true under standers of islam are. The fact that you are aloud to lie in your religion should be a heads up to you that it may not be the right path to take in life.
Just saying.
4 November, 2009 at 7:52 am
I don’t know if it is the same “Al Noor Holdings”, but the Al Noor Holdings construction company is reported as being run by “Sheikh” Tarek Bin Laden, Osama’s brother.
[Work on Bin Laden’s dream of two cities and a bridge over the Red Sea to begin in 18 months
1 August, 2008
By Dan Stewart in Djibouti
Brother of Osama Bin Laden’s $300bn plan to link Africa and Asia with a 24km bridge set to go ahead
It sounds like a plot from a science fiction film. A $300bn (£150bn) project to build twin cities, one on the eastern cape of Africa and another in the Middle East, linked by a 28km bridge across the Red Sea, sponsored by the brother of the world’s most wanted man.
But Arabian property giant Al Noor Holdings this week insisted it was determined to make its Al Noor Cities plan – the brainchild of Saudi Arabian construction magnate Sheikh Tarek Bin Laden – a reality.]
( building.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=3119692 )
Further, the movie on the false prophet is one of at least 10 high profile movies planned by Al Noor:
[Al Noor will invest in at least 10 “high-profile” films over five years] Bloomberg
bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601104&sid=apt7nQU69vdo
4 November, 2009 at 9:01 am
Osama Bin Laden would be the first to condemn any film made as he squats and wastes away in a tunnel in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
He is very much rejected by all his family as a nutjob and to point out family members tells me you have not bothered to research that.
He has one neice who is a model/actress/singer in New York, guess you failed to know or mention that.
Al Noor is a very big company, about 60 per cent owned by Sheikh Tarek and the rest is on the stock exchange free for anyone to buy and sell.
4 November, 2009 at 10:57 am
There are plenty of people researching the Bin Laden family; the Huntman family has kept me busy recently. Any that I have missed that you feel I should mention, or should bother to research?
4 November, 2009 at 10:00 am
“I hope this one will end with old mo atop a large building swatting at biplanes…”
THAT WOULD BE THE BESTEST ENDING EVER!!!
4 November, 2009 at 11:01 am
What solkhar doesnt know is we dug up this information on his ‘defense’ of muhammads marraige ot aisha.
“Solkhar says:”
“She was in fact between 14 and 15 years old. If you read only anti-Islamic websites you will of course believe otherwise, but since you are trying to make the image that you actually know something about Islam then you will be unaware that the debate about Aisha’s age was going on for more than 100 years when at a conference in Damascus schollars first said that the reference in the Bukhari Hadith was probably an error. Events that were certain by date that involved her father and younger sister automatically correct her age as being older than was stated. Even Aisha herself noted her age four times and each time it was different confirming the fact that most people (whom were illiterate) had no need nor did they actuallly time their age and years. My own mother-in-law a rural-born and illiterate Arab woman things she is between the early and middle sixties. http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm explains some of the contradictions.”
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/denmark/TCR4NLCPSTD2HBMDL/p15
If muslims dispute thier own hadiths then it should be obvious to all that if the hadiths are man made how much more is the islamic system from men and not god.
5 November, 2009 at 4:27 am
There is no dispute that much in the Muslim world is the making of Man and not exactly as Mohammed had planned it and certainly it is the man-made haddiths that are ruling the show. That is and I have always said it, is the greatest problem in the Muslim World.
That is why there is a strong and steadily growing number of basic Muslims that do not follow anything other than the Qur’an itself. It is often called the Sinast view – named after Ibn-Sina who basically debated that point and suprisingly was not imprisoned or persecuted for it – mind you that was in an age that did not have radicals like today.
What I find a bit hypocritical is that that those with an anti-Muslim agenda keep on critizing Islam for not having debate and yet when there is debate – they will then foolishly call out that obviously the “system is flawed”. So which one eh?
4 November, 2009 at 11:04 am
Notice solky is using the same propaganda to try to justify muhammads marriage.
The debate over muhammads many marriages including marrying aisha is still justified when the bulk of muslims misuse the guise of marriage for marrying underage girls and polyagamy…
4 November, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Let’s talk about the moon on top of the Mosques. Perhaps, the Kabba at zero point, and the black rock. Where god entered the earth.
4 November, 2009 at 11:39 am
Lots of stuff going on in Hollywood. I don’t see the point though. Most of these hollywooders are hiding under the bed. They don’t listen, they don’t get it, hiding is not an option. These so called icons of our societies are the prime targets of muslim fanatics. Listen to what they say, the fanatics don’t like us but they absolutely hate them. They will still be in the entertainment industry, grisly as it may be. These Hollywood morons will be these fanatics live action voodoo dolls and they will enjoy every minute of it.
Hey Hollywood, don’t put off till tomorrow when you can die today.
Solkhar,
Today you argue with us using words for your vision of islam. Convincing us while rejecting them is not enough eventually these fanatics are going to make you put your money where your mouth is and fight for it. That is the time that we will know just how dedicated you really are. Are you ready to die for your vision of islam? They are.
5 November, 2009 at 4:55 am
Here is another attempt at somehow saying that I am some super-man and responsible for all that happens – or that somehow I must show you that I am “doing something about it?”.
I am a partner in an agency that tracks the movement of illicit funding or funding sources for “proscribed businesses” or another way of saying businesses that were created to fund terrorists. Thus, for example, I work with Moroccan, US and EU country Customs, various other authorities, shipping companies and the like and hunt down mostly product counterfeiters which is now the third highest source of funding and money-laundering for terrorism. The biggest player in North Africa is Hezbollah and alone we have tagged and seized over 4 million dollars. You cannot imagine the number of fake razor-blades, duracell batteries, lady’s hygenic napkins, tooth brushes and fake shampoos that are moved by Lebanese businessmen.
I do that as “my bit” against the worst of radical Muslims, the rest I do by simply living my life “halal” and to the standards that I set myself. I continue to also point out the total BS perception of how and what Muslims live like by you lot and I invite anyone to come visit me here in Morocco or go to Turkey and Oman and I will set you up with friends who will give you a tour and see how people live and how much and what version/examples that they live.
5 November, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Bad muslim, your posting with two ID’s is against our site rules. Time for you to take an extended break from your propaganda mission. If you still feel the need to defend islam, I’m sure one of your brothers can use you as a suicide bomber.
6 November, 2009 at 6:21 am
second ID was an error of not logging out on another project, not planned for and certainly regretted.
if it the excuse you want for trying to cut postings and debate that is up to you – mind you can tell the difference between you and the Doc.
your own biased is obvious, but it would be a shame to turn what I think is a good blog for fair and reasonable debate, even though there are at least five people on this site that like to “drown-out” and constantly abuse, prosthelitize and basically BS anyone or anything Muslim.
DocBulldog has been a shining example of fair and good debate, conversation and showing differing opinions, I have certainly learnt a lot. I am not of the “right”, and I do not object to discussing and learning from someone on it.
It is a terrible shame though that there are others that are not up to that level of quality, really sad.
You will also note that I have contributed opinion, asked and provoked questions, in fact have avoided religous subjects unless I see errors and BS, and most of all, I have never tried to “sell” my faith.
The rest is up to you.
6 November, 2009 at 7:29 am
Solkhar claims to live in Marrakech, but “The White Rogue” gives the impression, reading the context of his blog, that he lives in a “protected neighbourhood” (sic – Oz spelling) somewhere in the USA, a land where people get pulled over for drunk driving with a 60 cal. in the back of his “pick-up” (sic -US name for a ute).
I find it hard to believe that many pick-up drivers get pulled over for drunk driving in Morocco, but i might be wrong there.
Where in Morocco did it happen?
Given your proclivity for multiple identities,
how does this new White Rogue persona with its
claim that “My tolerance is low for those that say one thing but hide an agenda and for those that make comments on subjects that they have no knowledge about and call them fact” square with the deception involved in using multiple identities and different personas? (not merely nom de nets like Mullah Lodabullah or Ronin, but multiple & different personas)
Saying one thing, but hiding an agenda of deception, Solkhar?
As I said, who are you, and who do you serve?
The White Rogue (aka Solkhar and others):
READING BETWEEN THE LINES & THE LIES
October 28, 2009
I have been called many things in my life
and amongst them is direct, blunt and pig-headed. I never considered any of
those as a negative.
This blog is both an experiment in a domain
I have never entered as well as a personal passion-crusade-habit. My tolerance is low for those that say one thing but hide an agenda and for those that make comments on subjects that they have no knowledge about and call them fact.
6 November, 2009 at 7:48 am
For someone who spends and incredible amount of time on me and the rest on smearing other faiths to somehow justify your own -not to mention being a lapdog to a kahanist hate-agenderist, it makes your own effort rather pathetic.
My objective is clear enough, and has been from day 1. The internet has no safeguards and is used and abused by hate-mongers rellying on anomity to avoid the repucussions of facing the moral standards and laws of the land – because blogger and wordpress hide behind being not responsible.
Thus, I am pointing out very clearly that you have no idea of the identity of those that espouse hate and lies and thus I show it by example at the same time as trying to identify those sick and disgusting individuals.
That there is one sick and repugnant individual in the region of Cairns that mocks his subverts his Judaic principles by selling out to expansionist and violent Zionism – though simply doing his upmost best to lie, misinterpet and whatever possible to demonize Islam. For what agenda, to simply justify to himself and others that the forced expulsion and ethnic cleanising of millions of Palestinians is justified to complete a greater expanded Israel.
Thus I identified him.
I pointed out the same group and the infiltration of the JDL in the CDC blogsite and along with friends in Canada had it closed down, then even forced the administration to change the “the forum is closed” text because it still included bigoted terms like “jihad-bot” – they did it.
If anything I am very pleased with what I have done, I have also learnt a great deal and how sick and low some people go for their goals.
Playing with identities was and still is a simple tool that shows and alerts to people how open to abuse the internet is currently. Certainly I am also experimenting so that if I actually do bother to have a proper blog or web-presence, what are the risks, style and method to do correctly. I certainly at that point will buy a domain name and put things in the open.
You will notice one thing about all my postings and personas, I stick to the same principles – they never change.
6 November, 2009 at 7:59 am
“a lapdog to a kahanist hate-agenderist”
Solkhar / White Rogue, your problems extend to more than kidney stones.
6 November, 2009 at 8:40 am
Islam is inherently demonic – of satan – any attempts to further “demonize” islam are superfluous.
Its “god” has done all that is necessary.
6 November, 2009 at 9:13 am
No need to go off on a tangent, Solkhar – which part of Morocco was someone caught driving a pick-up while affected by alcohol, and carrying a firearm in the back?
Did you understand the question?
6 November, 2009 at 7:37 am
Has someone been abusing you on this blog, Solkhar? How so?
6 November, 2009 at 10:11 am
“DocBulldog has been a shining example”
Thank you kindly. I appreciate that.
Yeah, Ronin has a hair-trigger some days, but that’s just how he rolls—shoot first, ask questions later. Don’t take it personally.
Cheers
Bah, Humbug
6 November, 2009 at 5:10 pm
So, tell him to put my 6 or 7 posts back.
6 November, 2009 at 5:14 pm
No!
You forgot to say please and I don’t want to, so Blah!
6 November, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Ronin,
Well that is your choice. I accept and apologize because no matter what I should have said please – as I was responding to DocBulldog.
Though it is your choice, the fact is that the elimination of the posts because of your own bias (as I have explained the mistake was not intentional and it was my not noticing the wordpress account) only puts questionable motives on what is a very good and fair blog.
It also implies simply that you are happy for bagging and agenda-bashing of Islam with one-sided discussion and no opportunity for the alternative-view or someone who has and knows information to point out all the factual errors. If that is the type of blog you are happy to have – then so be it. Add to that you are willing to have prosthelitizing and rather offensive pro-evangalist diatribe but silencing those of another faith – frankly is rather low.
If you like, I would be more than happy to submitt and in fact support a non-discussion on religous texts and rules of non religous attacks but I know the others will not accept becaue they very well know I simply do not do so. All my comments were in response alone.
So if you get my point, I sleep at night quite comfortably here being morally correct.
Apart from that, I wish you all well.
6 November, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Oh, I forgot, bah humbug was from Ebaneezar Scrooge and if you remember, he learnt his lesson later on for his bad behaviour and become a better man and seeked forgiveness.
6 November, 2009 at 5:52 pm
“DocBulldog, are you asuming that playing with dolls is an example of being a child? Are you also assuming that having dolls in the 7th century compared to the 21st century is much the same?”
It’s not I, it’s Islamic Scholars, my friend:
Islamic Scholar Fateh-al-Bari’s explanation of why Aisha was allowed to play with dolls is also quoted in the University of California’s online Hadith collection:
Like I said, no one seemed to have a problem with Muhammad and Aisha’s age differences until modern times when it was discovered that the West frowns on such things. So, please forgive my ignorance, but I am only going by what Islamic Scholars have taught for centuries.
Cheers
P.S. – Ronin is ronin. He and I have a previous long-standing agreement which precludes me from overriding his heavy-handedness. However, on your behalf and mine, I am asking him to be good and play nice.
6 November, 2009 at 6:55 pm
He still has not said please.
9 November, 2009 at 3:42 am
i am a muslims, i raped my mother, brother and a small furry dog. I also failed to read the sites rules. i may have to build a suicide vest and blow up my mosque, islam sucks. your friend in islam, ackmed.
9 November, 2009 at 4:00 am
eli,
“Your the disease, and I’m the cure.”
Cobra
9 November, 2009 at 4:05 am
Dude,
The only connection I could think of between your mom, brother and a dog was all the body hair, you are a sick puppy. Get some help.