Nidal Malik Hasan: Non-Believers Should be Beheaded and Have Boiling Oil Poured Down Their Throats
Obviously, he is a little muzzy-headed about what the Qur’an teaches:
“And say: “The truth is from your Lord.” Then whosoever wills, let him believe, and whosoever wills, let him disbelieve. Verily, We have prepared for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.), a Fire whose walls will be surrounding them (disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah). And if they ask for help (relief, water, etc.) they will be granted water like boiling oil, that will scald their faces. Terrible the drink, and an evil Murtafaqa (dwelling, resting place, etc.)!” – Qur’an 18:29
The big unanswered question is why didn’t anyone stop him before he went on his personal Jihad? Personally, I think quixotic Liberal Multiculturalism is to blame:
Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut
Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America’s Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.
By Nick Allen in Fort Hood
Published: 5:00PM GMT 08 Nov 2009 – Telegraph.co.uk
He also told colleagues at America’s top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in July.
Colleagues had expected a discussion on a medical issue but were instead given an extremist interpretation of the Koran, which Hasan appeared to believe.
It was the latest in a series of “red flags” about his state of mind that have emerged since the massacre at Fort Hood, America’s largest military installation, on Thursday.
Hasan, armed with two handguns including a semi-automatic pistol, walked into a processing centre for soldiers deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan, where he killed 13 and injured more than 30.
Fellow doctors have recounted how they were repeatedly harangued by Hasan about religion and that he openly claimed to be a “Muslim first and American second.”
One Army doctor who knew him said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim soldier had stopped fellow officers from filing formal complaints.
Another, Dr Val Finnell, who took a course with him in 2007 at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Maryland, did complain about Hasan’s “anti-American rants.” He said: “The system is not doing what it’s supposed to do. He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to cease and desist, and to shape up or ship out. I really questioned his loyalty.”
Selena Coppa, an activist for Iraq Veterans Against the War, said: “This man was a psychiatrist and was working with other psychiatrists every day and they failed to notice how deeply disturbed someone right in their midst was.”
One of Hasan’s neighbours described how on the day of the massacre, about 9am, he gave her a Koran and told her: “I’m going to do good work for God” before leaving for the base.
A civilian police officer who shot him, bringing the rampage to an end, said Hasan appeared “calm” during the massacre, hiding behind a telephone pole and shooting fellow soldiers in the back as they tried to get away.
“He was firing at people as they were trying to run and hide, said Sgt Mark Todd. “Then he turned and fired a couple of rounds at me. I didn’t hear him say a word, he just turned and fired.”
Hasan flinched after he was shot and slid down against the pole still clutching his gun, which had a laser sight on it. The officer kicked away the weapon and handcuffed him.
He said: “The guy was breathing, his eyes were blinking. I could tell that he was fading out and he didn’t say anything. He was just kind of blinking.”
Senator Joe Lieberman, who chairs the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security, said there had been “strong warning signs” that Hasan was an “Islamist extremist”.
The committee would ask “whether the Army missed warning signs that should have led them to essentially discharge him, he said. He added: “The US
Army has to have zero tolerance. He should have been gone.”
But General George Casey, the Army’s Chief of Staff, said it was “speculation” that military authorities failed to pick up on warning signs. “I don’t want to say that we missed it,” he said.
Asked if military authorities had missed warning signs Gen Casey, the Army’s Chief of Staff, added: “We have to go back and look at ourselves ,and ask ourselves the hard questions. Are we doing the right things? We will learn from this.
“It’s too early to draw conclusions but we will ask ourselves the hard questions about what we are doing and the changes we should make as a result of this.”
8 November, 2009 at 1:44 pm
“extremist interpretation of the Koran, which Hasan appeared to believe”
What “extremist interpretation” might that be?
8 November, 2009 at 1:49 pm
The partial quote from the Qur’an is about the Day of Judgement or Afterlife.
See that is the problem with agendas and ignorance – it breeds more ignorance and in fact more radicals. If people bothered to do there homework and think a bit (and not read crap-sites like Jihad-watch or atlasshrugs) they at least would get facts correct and not post garbage.
As for Major Hasan, it is still to early and very wrong to make assumptions about any facts – those of you ex-military type should understand the concept of due-process of inquiries.
The questions about red flags are legitimate and certainly there nees to be a review of the processes and I certainly expect every Muslim in the armed forces to be questioned and vetted for loyalty and their understandings of their own status within the framework of the military.
8 November, 2009 at 2:18 pm
“The partial quote from the Qur’an is about the Day of Judgement or Afterlife”
Exactly the point I was making. Although Hasan has a great education and should have been able to differentiate, his thinking was muzzy-headed and reflects extremist doctrines and ideologies.
Cheers
8 November, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Your statement makes obvious sense until you add the sheer multitude of factors that make up the possibilities of why and add to that this quote is not used by jihadists, it was posted here.
Aparantly the guy was still as Jordanian/Palistinian as American, depending on his family and local comunity he may have had his whole life of certain elements pushed into him by those with an agenda.
The other point which has to be understood if you want to know anything about Muslims is that the will always be an “overt religiousness” even if the person denies it. The small prayers they say before eating, entering a building etc. That is not just “habit” it also refers to the fact that faith is a constant part of life. When people crack, or they go crazy – by nature suicide bombers and mad gunmen have cracked – the faith element does not leave. Just like mos Muslims when they go into grand-mother or grand-father status turn into walking Qur’ans, praying and wanting to go on Hajj. They may have been secret beer swillers, wore shorts and even had girl-friends or boyfriends when they were young but when they reach about 65 they go pious.
I am giving no excuses or analysis as we do not still have the facts, but having said that, if his twig snapped all his past bias that was pushed into his psychie could explain some of it.
Either way, it is unacceptable and totally condemnable. It got pretty serious showing on Arab stations, though most stations talked about the possible backlash, they all assumed he is hard-line terrorist-linked or referred to him as a mad-man. Only one station, the predictably hard-line hamas-supporting station said that he probably snapped after constant anti-Arab/Muslim baiting by zealos Christian and Jewish military members.
8 November, 2009 at 2:32 pm
pardon – when I refer to Muslim habits, I should be saying “we” and not “they”. I also follow most of those habits.
8 November, 2009 at 2:56 pm
“this quote is not used by jihadists”
Actually, I HAVE encountered this quote before by an extremist who commented on this very blog; threatening to pour “scalding oil” on my face, along with other nasty things. So, when I heard that Hasan had mentioned pouring boiling oil down an un-believers throat, quite naturally, I knew which verse was being abused. In fact, the extremist who threatened me had a blog on wordpress. I just checked, and it looks like he was finally shut down:
http://inshallahshaheed.wordpress.com/
BTW – In reference to your earlier statement, I haven’t browsed Jihad Watch or Atlas Shrugs for at least a couple of days, so if they are pulling up the same Sura from the Qur’an, then they have probably encountered radicals espousing this extremist misinterpretation of the Qur’an, also. I’ll head on over there and check out their blogs to see what they are saying.
Cheers
8 November, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Doc,
Robert Spencer’s Jihad-Watch uses it because that is part of his ploy. He espouses all sorts of “half quotes”, never bothers to tell his readers that it is about the after-life or that he only quoted 10 per cent of the actual Surah.
As for radicals saying it, they certainly may but that will be the real fringe because the ultra-conservative schools will immediately condemn them for it.
Interesting though. Are we certan that Maj Hasan did so or was that only from some blog?
8 November, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Okay, I Googled around and discovered that this quote from Hasan comes from National Public Radio’s (NPR) investigative reporter Daniel Zwerdling who was told this by one of Hasan’s co-workers:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120162816
So, it sounds to me more like Hasan was just relaying what the Qur’an says rather than making an overt threat.
Cheers
8 November, 2009 at 4:10 pm
It is amazing how quick those come to assume – but that is in fact human nature. The fact is that there are millions of Muslims whom simply believe that the west is at war with Islam and thus when they heard about 9/11 the accepted the radical’s announcement that the West was attacked by “Sheik Osama”.
But later many started to know what happened and in fact they regretted the celebrations but by that point the radicals had gained enough supporters. But having said that, they are at it again with the deaths of civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan by drones and to be very blunt, though I understand how difficult intel and actions are – but they do not and the propoganda has confused them.
Back to that quote, I mentioned that the ultra-conservatives do not accept missquoting those surahs ab out the Day of Judgement and after-life but wahhabists and salafists do – making for a schism in some hard-liner groups. That schism was enough for the Saudi Government to basically take out all the wahhabists of influence and there is a small but significant revolt in Al Azhar about the same matter. My personal hope is that some more of these stupid radicals do the same and really piss the main clerics off. The best think in the world (literallhy for the whole world) is that the strong-conservatives unite to put a stop to violent radicalism and terrorism. They will of course demand a certain level of conservatism is tolerated but it makes for stopping the terrorism and at a minimum some unity. Then the reformists can move in.
Perhaps wishful thinking but it has happened before and I think it is the only logical solution. The crux of the entire problem actually comes down to the power of individual and rogue clerics and the stupidity of the Shah of Iran into creating that link of ultra-conservatism and revolutionary radicals.
8 November, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Malik Hasan Tied to 9/11 Hijackers, Radical al Qaeda Preacher…from the Jawa report.
Perhaps it’s something he learned in that Virginia mosque???
You certainly spend a lot of words criticizing the commenters here. Can you show me where you DIRECTLY criticize by name the terrorist imam from that mosque?
9 November, 2009 at 5:17 am
Apart from the fact I do not need to respond to you at all, I have said and I continue to alway condemn ANY radicalism.
For me, clerics in any western country that criticize or justify what is illegal and not of the standards of that country need to be either expelled or not allowed to run a mosque.
I did not bother to even know the name of that Imam – becuase simply put, he is dirt.
8 November, 2009 at 2:11 pm
My guess is we will continue to see more of this. They have been emboldened through our pathetic pcmcbs. In America these types are widespread and in control. Any so called moderate will never speak out. They know that they would be killed and they know that the media and authorities will go to great lengths to make their death irrelevant.
8 November, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Have I missed the outrage voiced by American Muslims regarding this act? Where was it expressed? By whom? Just asking…
8 November, 2009 at 4:12 pm
The pathetic attempt of Muslim unity in America CAIR condemned it in their usual “hand’s off” approach.
8 November, 2009 at 5:59 pm
SOME FACTS
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/fort-hood-shooter-taught-koran-when-he-was-supposed-to-be-giving-a-medical-lecture.html
…and some context.
Hasan was a wackjob, a lot like the Solkhar’s of the world.
Funny how Solkhar is always telling us our sources of facts are worthless, and we should get real ones, but he never supplies any himself. He just invokes “history” and “libraries.” Does he really think we are so stupid that we don’t know how to research facts? If so, it’s probably because he’s too ignorant to know what’s involved, otherwise he would realize how ridiculous he sounds.
8 November, 2009 at 8:20 pm
And MSM, Obama and others in authority are still saying it is in no way terror based! A cover-up for sure!
By the way I just want to give a big thank you to former President George and Laura Bush for going to Ft. Hood and for visiting those who had been wounded and talking to families who lost loved ones. They did it quietly and without fanfare, or seeking media attention. To me he is more a commander in Chief than Obama will ever be…
9 November, 2009 at 7:36 am
former President Bush and Laura showed their usual love and respect to the men and women in uniform. They did this without media cameras and speech writers. It was genuine.
Obama is waiting until Tuesday (I believe) to visit Ft Hood. That will give him long enough to gather a frenzy of reporters and allow his speech writers ample time to write up his BS.
8 November, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Major Nidal Malik Hasan was gunned down in an islamophobic anti-muslim backlash, merely because he was carrying out allah’s instructions.
9 November, 2009 at 12:02 am
Sure Gen Casey doesn’t want to admit he/they [army] missed this. But his parroting Barry/Barack of not jumping to any conclusions is ridiculous. What else is there? The man did jihad, first degree murder. Too bad Officer Mulman [sp?] didn’t kill him when she shot back after he tried to kill her. It would have saved this country a lot of money in having to provide medical care and then prosecute him.
What a class act George and Laura Bush are. Real human beings to quietly go and visit the family members adversely affected by this terrorist.
Has anyone seen anything of the usurper yet? Nope. He would not want to offend the muslims.
9 November, 2009 at 12:22 am
“Allah” in Sura 18:29 appears to be mocking the Revelation of Jesus Christ, substituting scalding water for the water of life, freely available to those who seek it:
“And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whoever will, let him take the water of life freely.” (Revelation 22:17, Holy Bible)
9 November, 2009 at 6:22 am
Maybe he confused boiling oil with body oil, as allah’s followers seem to do. Didn’t like being photographed with women, but didn’t mind them doing a lapdance for him:
foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573052,00
Alleged Fort Hood Shooter Frequented Local Strip Club
Sunday, November 08, 2009
[Hasan's presence at the club paints a starkly different portrait of the alleged killer from that offered by his imam and family members, who have described him as a devout Muslim, and one who had difficulty finding a wife who would wear a head scarf and would pray five times a day.]
9 November, 2009 at 8:47 am
The US military seems to obsess more over a Christian chaplain praying in Jesus’ name than it does over a muslim Major killing in allah’s name.
9 November, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Hear! Hear!
13 November, 2009 at 11:49 am
Good exchange here. It’s nice to see people able to discuss views on the Qur’an, and the radical Islamists’ misinterpretation thereof, without being demagogued. In my experience, any non-Muslim who points to the way jihadists justify their warped views with suras and hadith are quickly shouted down (inasmuch as one can be “shouted down” in a comments section) by Muslim apologists.
Too often, the apologists claim “the Qur’an doesn’t say that” when indeed it does. The fact remains that Islamists may be distorting what is there or the context of the verse in question, but it’s there all the same. And it’s used by the 91 million RADICAL Muslims who believe theirs is the pure faith.
13 November, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Got it,……almost.
It is very good to see people debate, discuss views on the reasonings behind islamists, radicals/extremists, ultra-conservatives etc.
My experiences, shown here as a perfect examples, is that the moderate Muslims whom are far from apologists are drowned out by particular non-Muslims whom wish to have all of Islam demonized simply to either promote their own faith and catch converts, simply to make hate or to appear the prophetic councillor.
If a Muslim says that “the Qur’an does not say that” and it is from a quote, then they are fools. If there is a real quote, then the correct response is “like the three other Holy Books of the Abrahamic Faiths, show either examples of events at a particular point in time or are talking about Judgement Day. Only radical freaks amongst Muslims and radical freaks amongst non-Muslims chose to read those versus as anything other than what they are.
The most important part of this problem is that by concentrating on attacking Islam instead of the dangerous radicals causes a distraction from the real and dangerous issues, false fears, increase of ignorance and MOST OF ALL gives ammunition to the very islamists and other radicals that their arguments are correct that the West is attacking Islam in some crusade.
13 November, 2009 at 4:10 pm
We attack islam because you do not. We have yet to see any reason to think islam is compatible with western values or even the 21st century.
13 November, 2009 at 4:17 pm
No I do not attack Islam, I do though attack Muslims. Those Muslims whom are not compatiple with the 21st century.
I certainly do not support those that wish to tag “western values” as something superior or the cure-all. Rather like the mistaken support and spouting of that over-used and over-abused word “democracy”.
A last comment, this is your blog Ronin but your use of the word “we” I think is incorrect. You may, but there are certainly some regular posters on this blog whom are attacking Islam for their own sick agendas that has nothing to do with debate, values or in fact defence against political-jihad.