Should U.S. Muslims fear backlash?
By Ronin, 8 Nov 09
Those of us with at least a causal interest in the cult of islam expect to see calls from “moderate” islamic groups to protect muslims after a large attack. Islam protects itself with a massive propaganda shield designed to distract, spin and provide cover and concealment.
The process is well practiced and the spin professionally done. We are already seeing news reports claiming muslims have been attacked, mosques threatened and some of these claims may be true. I heard of a muslim girl on a bus that was choked with her own hajib. In another account, she was laughing about the attack on Fort Hood and was spouting islamic supremacy rhetoric before the attack. It does not matter which version was correct if any. The attack happened, that we know. Why and how will be dealt with.
Now I fully realize I live in the PC world and men like me are considered backwards dinosaurs but I was raised to put women on a pedestal and under no conditions was violence against women allowed. In my day, a boy chocking a girl on a bus would have faced a severe backlash from most of the other boys on the bus. My how things change.
Are the stories true, are muslim Americans getting threatened and picked on? Probably but so are other groups and for a wide verity of reasons. A major difference is found by watching and comparing how these groups react. If members of a different ethnic group for example beat a Mexican American, you do not see a well-oiled machine immediately toss the victim card and demand police protection. You do not see Mexican rights organizations attempt to distance the victim from his/her Mexican heritage. You do not see other Mexicans stand up and point out how the victim was or was not a good, a practicing or a real Mexican. It doesn’t happen because Mexican Americans have no image problem. They do not have to explain away 1400 years of history or the actions of others acting out today.
Islamic spokespersons do all of those things and more; why? Because they have too. Islam has several themes always running in the background, the islam is peace crowd, the virtues and focus on family crowd and my personal favorite the we are the good muslim and they are bad muslims crowd.
With the normal propaganda spin, you see a ramp up after a need is detected. Someone has to deflect attention off islamic doctrine and any role it played in the crisis. The quickest, easiest and already proven method is the victim card. Simply remind other Americans that muslims can be the victim and also fear the crazy bad muslims. Effective as it is simplistic.
Do the numbers show victims? No, there is no backlash; the police reports rarely show an increase in violence after an attack. It did not happen after 9-11 and it is not happening now. Muslims in America are as safe as any other group. The calls for tolerance, respect and protection are smoke and mirrors. A simple distraction and an opportunity to force attention on islam but only on the “positive”. After all, who can refuse to help a potential victim? It would be Un-American.
8 November, 2009 at 8:24 am
Should US non-muslims fear forward lash?
8 November, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Do you mean like the Imam in Dearbornstan that fought it out with the FBI, or the follower of Mohammed in Dallas who wanted to blow up a building to murder infidels?
If so, then I say yes to fear forward lash.
8 November, 2009 at 1:16 pm
That is the sort of forward lash that the slaves of allah unleash without notice, followed by the “muslims fear backlash” song & dance routine. Anticipating forward lash is “islamophobic”, of course.
8 November, 2009 at 10:23 am
The European love affair with Obama seems over. Here is an article from today’s Telegraph that is almost nasty and most comments reflect it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6520286/Bloodless-President-Barack-Obama-makes-Americans-wistful-for-George-W-Bush.html
8 November, 2009 at 10:40 am
There should be no “back-lash” but there certainly should be reform, modifications and some learning from the process.
I have said a number of times and even sent letters to Dutch and EuroMPs telling them that they should be even more strict on migration and vetting process of Muslims, it is only logical. Even here in Morocco, entry for those from a number of countries are carefully vetted and there are refusals. Anyone with links to safism or wahhabism are now refused here.
Muslims should simply expect to be carefully vetted, they should assure and make guarentees for integration and even patritoism and all Muslims should be shunning radical Mosques, unpatriotic Imams and even pointing them out to authorities.
There has never been any question that the radicalism and terrorism exists and certainly there is over defenciveness and usless lobbying by Muslim organisations in the West rather than simply acknowledging and becoming supportive and complicit in eleminating. Some of it is because the West mistakenly played a political/diplomatic game in the 70s and allowed unvetted radicals in as “assylum seekers” but that is still in the end an excuse in the face of the reality.
Comments by some idiots or over-emotional ignorants whom come to the over-simplistic choices of – no Muslims in the military or kick them all out – or send in the army to get rid of them all – are only in the end supporting the very same radicalism that breeds terrorists.
I know Muslims in the military, both in The Netherlands as well as in the US. I know that almost all have served well and have also paid the ultimate price. There are also a great number of Muslim contractors in the war zones whom along with local Muslims have died in greater numbers than US and allied forces – that should never be forgotten.
Be stict, be careful but you are all obliged to give respect to those Muslims who do serve, are patriotic and work along side and with you.
ps and for the above comment – the telegraph would try and tell you there are UFOs and prefers to ensure that there is at least one chick with big boobs on every paper.
8 November, 2009 at 12:43 pm
“the telegraph would try and tell you there are UFOs and prefers to ensure that there is at least one chick with big boobs on every paper.”
You’d be hard pressed to find a newspaper in the UK that doesn’t do that!
But, you’re probably thinking more along the lines of “The Sun:”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/
Cheers
8 November, 2009 at 12:50 pm
I have a very low opinion of the British Press whom make tabloid journalism to a fine art. Rupurt Murdoch and his son are a plague on the art of journalism and the great old-guard of solid real journals are simply gone.
8 November, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Don’t forget Ted Turner and Sumner Redstone. Rupert Murdoch is just greedy, but Turner and Redstone are full-blown propagandists.
Cheers
8 November, 2009 at 2:28 pm
The Telegraph is one of the few papers in England that is neither tabloid, totally left or government shills. The Telegraph is the paper that uncovered the M.P.’s expense scandal. Boris Johnson, mayor of London was one of their editors.
8 November, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Point taken that it is not taking poltitical sides, but I found that the Telegraph still fell for the “scandal sells” and focuses of what sounds more interesting than what is actually important.
An old-style journalist I knew who was a Fairfax reporter from Australia said that he was taught in University when he studied journalism that it is for Newspaper journalists to tell others what is happening or is important and that telling the public wants to hear is for “glossy magazines”.
Cheers
8 November, 2009 at 11:09 am
Public opinion is a compound of folly, weakness, prejudice, wrong feeling, right feeling, obstinacy, and newspaper paragraphs.
Sir Robert Peel, Bt.
(Prime Minister 1834-1835, 1841-1846)
8 November, 2009 at 11:19 am
Backlash, oh brother. Muslims in America have developed a severe case whiplash searching around for the backlash that never occurs. There is, maybe, one way to stop these nut cases, after all they are nut cases and as such they have some really wacky beliefs. I believe there is one way but some Americans are not going to like it. The number one thing they desire is to die a marytr and get all the things they were promised as a result. Well we have to deny that and to do that we must prep the corpses of jihadists for proper burial. You know, cut off the hands and feet, remove the eyes ears and teeth and then last but not least amputate their wieners. Finally, take it all and incinerate it. Try and enjoy yourself in the afterlife w/o hands feet teeth eyes and ears @#$holes.
I am fed up with these backstabbing bushwackers and the misery pain and carnage they leave behind. It is a new kind of war we are fighting and I figure we have to come up with new kinds of ways to fight it.
8 November, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Radicals never defeat radicals – they only replace them.
There is only one real solution to fight radicalism, it is called normality.
The most damaging thing to radicals whom feed off misinformation, rumour mungering, generalizing and over-simplification, is to prove them wrong.
Muslim radicals tell the mass of illiterate Muslims the same BS that most of you are showing right here in these threads. That the West plunders the rest of the world, stealing resources, living off the cheap-labour. That the Christians are after a secret Crusade to convert all of mankind under the banner of a corrupt version of Christianity. That the poverty of the third world is purely and utterly a plan of the western nations. That westerners are corrupt, capatalistic, cares about money and power only, are un-Godly and live off the unlcean elements of society and satanic principles of usery (interest taking), gambling, organised prostitution and paedophilia.
To battle ugly rumor mongering (as I said, like those on this side) is simply to prove them wrong. Normalise relations, create strong dealings and colaboration with, good trade and fair dealings, treat as equals, give respect or earn it, and so on.
That does not mean give up safeguards and security, that does not mean give up allegencesn nationalism or patriotism.
Once the radicals are proved wrong, they become simple criminals and outlaws to everyone, or in the case of above – basic bigoted fools.
8 November, 2009 at 1:03 pm
The only BS I read here is Solkhar’s.
The way you write Solkhar, one would think it is those who post here doing the murder.
The problem are those who follow Mohammed. Even if it is only 10% who follow him in murder, rape, and thieving, that is 100 million Jihad loving fools.
I fear more murder will come from the religion of peace, and I bet we will not have to wait long.
ROPMA! Actions speak louder than words.
8 November, 2009 at 2:52 pm
I only point out factually incorrect statements, those that are well known agenda-based BS and when comments are plain nasty crap.
As for your comments about “those that follow Mohammed”, all Muslims do, what is wrong with your statement is that those who follow a poltiical agenda on what they want to think Mohammed has done (also like you lot) they are the problem and yes they have a large following and it is a serious problem.
Focus needs to be on fighting them and their ideology as well as the radicals in the west whom are provoking it further. They are as you put it many “Jihad loving fools” and attackign all Muslims is not going to help.
Radicalism fighting radicalism only will result in more radicalism.
8 November, 2009 at 11:50 am
The best way to deal with a ‘backlash’ isnt with violence but doubting muslim claims.
Thats what I will do…
8 November, 2009 at 12:19 pm
There is not one person in this country or the world that could make me abandon my standards and commit unprovoked violence. Not muslims not leftists not anyone. On the other hand none of them are going to determine what standards I live up to. If someone is considering unprovoked random violence they are missing the message of this homicidal major. Yes we can trade words with the jihadists protectors here just like we have for as long as I can remember. That’s exactly what they wantus to do.
I am interested in stopping the violence and in stopping the violence there would be no need to worry about any backlash.. A few surgical procedures done professionally in a morgue like environment to already dead jihadists is one deterrent just like giving them a full jihadi funeral would be an inspiration.
Do you remember when jihadists made up rumors that troops were desecrating their dead buddies corpses? They went wild, why, because more than anything they must be assured that nothing will get in the way of their trip to jihadi heaven.
8 November, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Islam is the problem, not its sub-sets, and while God has provided a solution, an unrepentant and mocking islam prefers to march to its doom in the valley of Hamangog, much as those in Noah’s day preferred to drown than to board the ark. The ark of the New Covenant is available to muslims to seek safety and salvation; it is up to them individually to accept free passage.
8 November, 2009 at 4:35 pm
“That the poverty of the third world is purely and utterly a plan of the western nations. That westerners are corrupt, capatalistic, cares about money and power only, are un-Godly and live off the unlcean elements of society and satanic principles of usery (interest taking), gambling, organised prostitution and paedophilia.”
There you have it! We in the west are to blame for the failings of all poor nations, capitalism, and capitalists are shameful, and we’re all gambling pedophiles. Uh-huh. Now, who’s being simplistic and dismissive? We seek clarity, not blather fed to you by a religion that demands violence against non-believers.
Western nations cleaned water sources,invented electricity, eradicated polio,tuberculosis,smallpox,mumps,on and on.Western nations developed hybrid plants that resist pests and diseases to be grown in these poor nations. We have built dams, roads, power plants, and fought those who would destroy all of it. There are no such contributions by nations of islam in the last century. Capitalism and the freedom of the west reward creativity and inventiveness. Women are not kept prisoner in their homes, or excluded from schools. Your tired arguments of blaming the west for all that is wrong in third world nations doesn’t hold water. We’re not falling for it anymore.
8 November, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Don’t forget it also doesn’t explain away all the drama that happened before God decided to bless America. The spread of the cult of islam has hurt more humans than any other ideology bar none. The blame the west is a relatively new theme but works toward their radical agenda and it supports their low self-esteme, we are the victims here mindset.
8 November, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Ronin says “The spread of the cult of islam has hurt more humans than any other ideology bar none.”
This of course is utter BS and he is unable to put credible academic or authoritive references to it.
To say anything else would result in his cutting this post of course, like he did on the other threads that basically pointed such things out. I am pretty sure this one will go to.
Those that simply blame the west are as ignorant as history is there for good or bad and ignoring or cutting them out does not hide basic truths.
I recommend to all to go out and simply read a few encyclopedias, proper academic books (not wannabe agenda based scandal books for money making) and you will note very quickly the conquests of Muslim nations and even present day war and attrocities by radical Muslims is still dwarfed by the overall deaths, destruction and forced changes done over the 2 millenia by those whom happened to be and used & abused the name of Christ.
8 November, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Solkar, jou God-verdomde kaaskop, I suggest you learn a little bit about the murder of some estimated 80 million Hindus in the rape and subjugation of the Indian subcontinent. Forget about the murder of the million Armenians, the millions of blacks in Africa. Conservative estimates put the death toll of the Muslim African slave trade at some 20 million. One of the most prosperous towns on the East coast of Africa, Lamu, died when the British sent gun boats to stop the slave trade. I have been to Bagamoyo, once the main port of the MUSLIM SLAVERS, have seen the shackles that held them in the market place. I have been to Zanzibar seen the slave market and could well understand the reason the indigenous African slaughtered every single Arab in the country when they overthrew the Sultan.
9 November, 2009 at 5:24 am
Insulting in any language is just as pathetic.
The probably inflated figures of deaths in the sub-continent is one thing – note the lack of references – but all your other examples are still dwarfed by well documented figures of what was done under other banners such as in South America, Southern and Central Africa and so on. I have also been to Zanzibar, I have also been to Ghana and Senegal and seen the other side, the factory-like methodical method of moving human slavery by Europeans.
I have also read and been to many sights in Europe of massacres of one against the other because one had a “differing” view of of Christianity.
The whole point is that there are enough references out there to show that in fact those under the banner of Islam were not “by far” the greatest force of killings on this planet.
If you wish to talk history, then all of history must be thrown on the table.
8 November, 2009 at 5:24 pm
agreed
but I hate to see anyone, especially kids, be persecuted, no matter who they are.
8 November, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I pointed out when saying those things, that this is the garbage that radicals tell the Muslim masses of poor and iliterates.
Rather like the BS that radicals with anti-Muslim agends do.
Same-same.
At least I am not ignorant to fall for it.
9 November, 2009 at 12:32 am
Is this your work, Solkhar?
dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/11/black_tulip_named_after_hirsi
Black tulip named after Hirsi Ali
Thursday 05 November 2009
One hundred black tulips named after the former Liberal MP and Islam critic Ayaan Hirsi Ali have been planted in the garden of Amsterdam’s Rijksmuseum, Nos tv said on Friday. …
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Good they are black, like the cloud that covers her emotions.
So now we have the Rijksmuseum giving credit to a hate-for-profit activist.
By Solkhar
9 November, 2009 at 5:19 am
absolutely and I stand by it. I have met the lady and simply put she was a failed, unpopular politician and to keep her face in the media she chose to, like a number of others, started over-generalizing and basic BS to make scandal and money.
8 November, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Muslims fear backlash? Well I fear being beheaded and having boiling oil poured down my throat.
8 November, 2009 at 10:21 pm
And those muslims who might behead you (or me) will be acting in accordance with allah’s manual of murder.
Boiling oil down the throat is optional extra.
8 November, 2009 at 5:18 pm
I have to say that Muslims in America probably don’t have to fear backlash from this one, but at some point, the minions will go too far. I do think more people will scrutinize and distrust Muslims here, which is a good thing, all things considered.
They are training for jihad in mosques here. When they decide it’s time to take their jihad to the streets, there will be backlash indeed. Swift and terrible. And very final.
8 November, 2009 at 5:27 pm
HEY RONIN! Does this avatar look familiar to you? Minus the blonde hair though…
[img]http://www.mollyscannons.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=48&albumid=2&dl=1257137267&thumb=1[/img]
8 November, 2009 at 5:28 pm
whoops, images don’t work…okay how about this
http://www.mollyscannons.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=48&albumid=2&dl=1257137267&thumb=1
8 November, 2009 at 5:43 pm
I am not 100% sure but I think recognize who you are. You can send me an email at ronin_mail@yahoo.com and let me know if I am right.
9 November, 2009 at 7:49 am
Muslims in America do not have to fear backlash from me. I will not actively go on a seek-and-destroy mission.
However, I have lost 100 percent of my tolerance and the very little trust which I tried to hold on to.
I will not attack (first), but I will never trust.
My eyes are wide open. Sheep can continue to be sheep. Those of us who are watching will do our best to protect the herd… But, it would be in people’s best interest to wake up and take notice.
This latest TERRORIST attack struck too close to home.
Yes, I am still hurting.
I am moving past the mourning stage and on to the anger stage.
Will Americans lash out? No. Will Americans oil their guns? Yes.
We do not lay down… We will never submit… We have ‘girded our loins.’
9 November, 2009 at 6:23 pm
“Muslim radicals tell the mass of illiterate Muslims the same BS that most of you are showing right here in these threads. That the West plunders the rest of the world, stealing resources, living off the cheap-labour. That the Christians are after a secret Crusade to convert all of mankind under the banner of a corrupt version of Christianity. That the poverty of the third world is purely and utterly a plan of the western nations. That westerners are corrupt, capatalistic, cares about money and power only, are un-Godly and live off the unlcean elements of society and satanic principles of usery (interest taking), gambling, organised prostitution and paedophilia.”
Solkhar, maybe it would be easier for you to explain to us which members of the “Islamic leadership”
do NOT promote this sort of twisted viewpoint, as well as the eventuality of Islam’s global control?
After all, it’s obvious that this is the plan.