Brother of islamic terror suspect: ‘We are not extremists’
Gee another muslim explaining to westerners how wrong we are about the motivations of a terrorist suspect.
By AMY FORLITI and PATRICK CONDON, 13 Nov, 09 (AP)
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) – A Somali man arrested in the Netherlands and accused of financing Islamic terrorists was not an extremist and was so poor he couldn’t afford to bring his new wife from Somalia to the U.S., according to two of his brothers who live in Minnesota.
-Here is a great idea, the next time a criminal is caught, just ask his family if he is innocent. We could save hundreds of millions of dollars by not prosecuting all these people. Hmm, sounds like a democrat plan doesn’t it?
Mohamud Said Omar, 43, was arrested Sunday at an asylum seeker’s center near Amsterdam and is being held at the request of American authorities.
The arrest is related to the FBI’s investigation into the disappearance of up to 20 young Somali men who left the Twin Cities over the last two years for Somalia, presumed to have joined the terror group al-Shabaab. Dutch authorities said the U.S. has asked for Omar’s extradition, which could take up to a year if he contests it.
-You do have to laugh at American muslims going half way around the world to murder other muslims in the name of islam-madness.
Dutch prosecutors said U.S. investigators suspect him of bankrolling the purchase of weapons for Islamic militants and helping other Somalis travel to Somalia in 2007 and 2008.
-Shocking islamophobia, what proof do you have he did these things? He just gave to charity, it is the duty of all muslims to do so, he did not know where the money went, he had to trust his imam. Just saving some time getting all the islamic apologist BS out of the way.
Abdullahi Said Omar, Mohamud’s younger brother in Minneapolis, and another brother, Mohamed Osman, said Mohamud worked low-paying jobs to make ends meet, and didn’t have enough money to send to terrorists. They believe their brother is innocent.
“He was homeless, he didn’t even have a place to stay,” said Osman, 51, of Rochester, Minn.
Abdullahi said he and Mohamud left Somalia soon after graduating from high school and lived in a refugee camp in Kenya for a time, before moving to the U.S. in 1993, living first in Virginia and moving to Minnesota in 1999.
Omar traveled to Somalia in early 2008 to marry a woman there, Abdullahi said, but had not been able to scrape together enough money to bring her back home with him.
Mohamud returned to the U.S. after the wedding and got a job as a fruit truck driver to earn money to bring his wife to the U.S. He said Mohamud also worked on an assembly line for a time.
Omar left the U.S. in November 2008 to make a hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, Abdullahi said, then he went to the Netherlands. Abdullahi said his brother had tried unsuccessfully to get U.S. citizenship and that it was not a surprise he hadn’t returned after his trip to Mecca.
Evan Kohlmann, a senior investigator with the NEFA (Nine Eleven Finding Answers) Foundation, which researches Islamic militants, said it was still possible for someone with limited means to help finance terrorist activities – especially in a place like Somalia, where one can live cheaply. Terror groups like al-Shabaab have learned that, he said.
“What these guys have discovered is, if you pool enough people together, even relatively meager personal resources can be marshalled in a way where you can have a fairly significant impact,” he said.
-True enough, every nickel counts and in Somalia, lives and bullets are cheap.
Osman said he had not spoken to Mohamud for about a year, but that he was not as surprised as his brother to learn of Mohamud’s arrest, saying Mohamud had worked as a janitor at the Abubakar As-Saddique Islamic Center, the largest mosque in Minnesota, and sometimes served as a driver for people that Osman suspects might have had ties to al-Shabaab in Somalia. Both brothers said Mohamud earned $800 a month working at the mosque.
-See he was just a regular Joe, no way he could be guilty of supporting terrorists, supporting islam yeah, al shabaab yeah but he never gave a single dime to the IRA. He must be innocent.
He described his brother as highly open to suggestion from authority figures.
“I think my brother, what they are doing is scapegoating him,” said Osman.
“He’s the same like me – just normal,” Abdullahi said. “We pray five times a day and follow our religion, but we are not extremists.”
-No but you are muslims and that alone makes you an extremist. You all worship a man that would be executed for war crimes, crimes against humanity, all sorts of human rights abuses and sexual perversions if he were alive today. Yeppers, you are normal all right – a normal run of the mill islamic extremist.
A person working in the mosque’s main office this week declined to say anything about Mohamud or confirm he worked there. None of about 20 other people at the mosque approached by a reporter, both workers and citizens, would admit to knowing Mohamud or recognizing his name.
-Lol, cowards, stand up for allah’s worker you jerks.
Details of Mohamud’s case were sealed in the Netherlands under that nation’s privacy laws, and U.S. authorities have declined to discuss the case except to confirm it is related to the Minneapolis investigation.
Omar’sDutch attorney, Audrey Kessels, told the daily newspaper De Volkskrant that because Omar had a U.S. green card, he was ineligible for asylum in the Netherlands and his request was quickly rejected. She said he had appealed the decision on the basis of illness. Omar had told her he couldn’t find work in America and “didn’t have any peace in his head.” Osman said his brother suffered from sleep problems and was often scared of other people.
-Infidel people?
“He didn’t make a healthy impression,” Kessels said.
At least three of the men who left the Minneapolis area have died, including one who carried out a suicide bombing in the semiautonomous Puntland region in October 2008. Three have pleaded guilty to terror-related charges in federal court in Minneapolis; a fourth has pleaded guilty to perjury, and a fifth has pleaded not guilty to lying to the FBI.
Somalia has not had a functioning government since 1991, when warlords overthrew a socialist dictator and then turned on each other, causing chaos in the African nation of 7 million.
Tens of thousands of Somalis resettled in Minnesota in the last two decades, and the state now has the largest Somali population in the United States. Abdullahi Said Omar owns and runs a discount store in a part of Minneapolis populated by many Somali immigrants.
Abdullahi said that his brother had called him from the Netherlands early Thursday morning on his cell phone while he was sleeping, and left a message that indicated he thought he could return to America.
“He said he’s in the jail and he’s doing well,” Abdullahi said. “He said he thinks maybe they’ll send him back here.”
-That is the entire reason we have extradition procedures, genius.
13 November, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Well, for once the truth. He’s right; they aren’t extremists. The ones who aren’t going jihadi are the extremists not following the quran. The jihadis are following the quran strictly. The religion of death.
13 November, 2009 at 4:23 pm
There’s your sign! (quoting Bill Engvall).
So what we have here is someone who wants to support radicals, wants to believe in hate and certainly wishes to avoid thinking about the vast majority of Muslims whom simply are completely unaware of what the hell your talking about. I would laugh if it was not so disgusting and pathetic.
13 November, 2009 at 4:26 pm
There is the issue you think the vast majority of muslims are moderates, we do not.
13 November, 2009 at 4:44 pm
The vast majority of Muslims are concentrating on making a living, hoping to have food on the table each day or finding enough money to pay for a real education for their children (and not some madrassa).
The vast majority of Muslims include women, children, old-people, living in villages surrounded by rice-paddies in Java, or Bangladesh. They are mountains looking after their goats and trying to grow potatoes. They are subsistance farmers and hunters in sub-saharan Africa or along the southern-Nile.
Yes sure, they are all radical extremists bent on the destruction of the west. I sat in my café here in Marrakech and waited for the tourists to leave to begin our daily attack plan……../sarc obviously on.
13 November, 2009 at 4:51 pm
I do not doubt that most muslims will never harm anyone. I doubt many are willing to stop those that do. Until a real measurable change is made, our words do not mean much. I warn and you defend, it gets us nowhere.
13 November, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Solkhar, you are very fond of asserting that “the vast majority of muslims”, “most Christians”, Pamela Geller is a fool”, and your lies and blasphemies are just as dangerous as any muslim “radical”, even if done from the comfort of a cafe in Marrakech.
All muslims are doomed; a number will leave allah’s death cult, but may lose their lives, even though their souls will be saved.
13 November, 2009 at 5:54 pm
What is disqusting, and pathetic is your spin away from the subject Solkhar. Muslims following Mohammed tried for terror, another being held on terror related charges. One blew himself up to allah/Satan.
I realize you are like the CAIR arm of SoA. Writing, and blowing smoke while those who do the murder continue to march for allah the false moon god.
Islam appears to be a cult of death, and you ignor it, or write it is only the few.
BS! Millions of Muslims wake up with murder in their hearts, while others further the agenda of a smoke screen. Plus you have no problem lying.
What is SoA, and SWT again Solkhar?
ROPMA!
13 November, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Mohammed was good at lying, so I guess there is hope for you yet Solkhar.
13 November, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Solkhar on Acid? Solkhar Without Truth?
14 November, 2009 at 5:34 am
If you read my posts you will not that I do not defend but condemn the actions of murdering Muslims, political groups and terrorists each time. I also am not directing spin away at all but simply pointing out when you lot turn a direct problem and danger and use it to abuse an entire faith – let alone the pure BS in the language.
If anyone is directing spin away from something, it is those that do so away from the real dangers by directing your attention to a bigoted line which only gives more ammunition to the argement those radicals use on the population mass about western intentions, bigotry and crusding.
As for SoA/SWT I did an internet check and presumed, rather like a lot of items you lot do, at least I strait away admitted the error…unlike….
14 November, 2009 at 5:57 am
“As for SoA/SWT I did an internet check and presumed, rather like a lot of items you lot do, at least I strait away admitted the error…unlike….”
Have you apologised to Pamela Geller for vilifying her using your SoA/SWT assertions?
Be a man, not a slave of allah.
13 November, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Solkhar, you completely missed my point, or you deliberately evaded it. My point is this:
The Quran directs Muslims to kill or subjugate infidels (non-Muslims). Jihadis are following that dictate strictly. Therefore, since the jihadis are the ones adhering strictly to the directions of the Muslim holy book(s), THEY ARE NOT THE EXTREMISTS! Those who do not engage in jihad against the infidel (your so-called moderates) are the extremists who are not adhering to the dictates of the religion/system. Or, it could be argued that they are infidels themselves.
Ad hominem attacks only demonstrate the weakness of your argument. Show me factual evidence that Muslim holy books do NOT instruct Muslims to kill/subjugate the infidel and spread Islam by the sword.
13 November, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Dutch is a convert and we know two things about converts. One, they are overzealous and two they don’t know $&!# about the history of islam the koran or muslims. And to be quite honest there is every reason to call into question the sanity of any westerner that converts to islam.
13 November, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Here, Here!
13 November, 2009 at 8:22 pm
or supports libtardianism…
13 November, 2009 at 8:24 pm
speaking of, it would be really interesting to see how many self-described “liberals” convert to Islam, versus how many conservatives…
13 November, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Remember my friends that solkhar follows the odd ‘quran only’ meassage.
So all his opinions donot refelct the many other muslims who drop by Dr Bulldog and Ronins blog.
14 November, 2009 at 5:58 am
tgusa assumes, of course, that he knows better than any Muslim be they a convert (of 30 years) or one that is born such.
his agenda is very clear, all his posts attack Islam in all fashions and thus we can assume there is no objectiveness in any of his comments.
as for liberal, I am not, I support many ideals and processes which are very conservative, I dispise liberal immigration policies, I think the liberals are screwing up dealing with wars and conflicts in general and even basic economics.
Making up things just does not stick.
14 November, 2009 at 5:52 am
The Qur’an does not direct taht AZ_Conservative, that is my point. You all like assume the same line that radicals take and not the bulk of clerics and population of Muslims. There are as many versus in Christian and Jewish holy books that discuss things about the events of that time and the afterlife – judgement day and yet I do not see you saying that the Jewish and Christian texts demanding the destruction of…..
The Qur’an is, if you bother to look in the right context, divived into three parts. Those historical refernces of events, those examples of events that are important and then actual instructions and messages. Those messages are clear and obviously different.
Thus, since you demanded quotes, try this which as an “instruction” makes things pretty much clear, as apposed to making up and assuming things from refences about battle of that time.
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YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
PICKTHAL: Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
SHAKIR: And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
The actual surah is about examples of the time, thus it is about defence, war and battle durign that period with all the bloodshed that one expects from 7th century battle and so there are examples of commands from leaders etc. The key here is the above tells us what “Allah loveth not”, that is an instruction for all times, not just for the period like most of these surahs.
14 November, 2009 at 6:02 am
002.190
YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
Striking off heads & maiming in every limb doesn’t transgress limits; hijacking planes & slamming them into high rise buildings ditto;
bombing just about anything, anywhere, also ditto.
But of course, “islam is peace”.
Islam is doomed.
14 November, 2009 at 6:20 am
Proving my point again, reading one element from a surah, avoiding or exagerating and missing or more accurately picking and chosing to support their own goal.
I find that not only pathetically obvious, of the lower-end of the moral spectrum but pretty much juvenille.
14 November, 2009 at 12:21 pm
I do what I do for the sake of my civilization western civilization. When I see muslims in the west trying to harm it you are right I attack. I really could care less what you muslims do in your own country. That’s right I’m really not interested and I don’t think I will be missing anything if I never come in contact with a muslim. Frankly speaking, islam is your problem you have everything to lose if you continue to attack us instead of actually doing something to stop them.
I suspect that you are lying, yes I suspect it and when I attack jihadists and you turn around and say I am attacking islam you really are proving me right. You constantly equate attacks on violent islamists in the west to attacks on islam itself. Why? Are all muslims violent islamists? So if you are sincere make me a believer, right now, I dont believe you.
14 November, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Please note that I said Muslim holy bookS (plural). Most Muslims do follow the hadiths and sura in addition to the quran, do they not?
That particular passage is ambiguous, isn’t it? Doesn’t it also say something about allah loveth not oppressors, too? Tisk, tisk, taking passages out of context. bad argument tactic that further demonstrates the weakness of your position.
Are there others that are a bit more direct? Something like the Holy Bible’s “Thou shall not kill”? Yes, I know the Bible provides for self-defense but I am not aware of any passages that direct me as a Christian to kill unbelievers, as the Muslim holy books do.
I agree with tgusa: I don’t care what you people do in your own lands. I am also a libertarian who believes our interventionist policy in foreign lands has brought us nothing but death, grief, enemies and pain. If we are attacked, as on 9-11, bomb the attacker unmercifully…then come home. None of this nation-building nonsense. But, I digress.
Where does the quran say “Thou shall not kill except in self-defense”? The hadiths? The sura?
13 November, 2009 at 11:35 pm
They all tend to parrot something along the lines of “you don’t know what you’re talking about”, overlooking “allah’s” declaration of war upon infidels and unbelievers. War to them is unilateral – any response by the target infidels is “provocation”.
“Make war upon [unbelievers] until … allah’s religion reigns supreme” (Sura 8:39) doesn’t really mean make war upon unbelievers until allah’s religion reigns supreme; it means … well, anything else, to those who fob off islam as a “religion of peace” with the same “god” as that of the Bible, and one of the “three Abrahamic faiths”, complete with a denial of the fundamentals of Judaism and Christianity, a counterfeit god, a false prophet, and a counterfeit Abraham.
What else could you possibly want in a religion (apart from the Truth).
14 November, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Gosh, Mullah. That doesn’t sound like “Thou shall not kill.” to me.
And that really does sound like Solkhar’s “Allah” has directed muslims to spread islam around the world by force! Solkhar LIED to me!!! How could he? /sarc
14 November, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Better to be accurate and quote the entire thing and not cut & paste only those that suite your own argument.
There are three universally accepted English translations:
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YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
Considering that in fact the entire Surah needs to be read to have context, it is rather wrong to assume anything. The Surah give examples of the events as the Muslims survived the attacks by the pagan Meccans. So the examples are very simple – win but be just, ensure that God is worshipped and no idoltry (remembering, of course, that the use of the word of Allah is simply God so we have “fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for God”. I should remind you all about Moses and Abraham and what they did to idol worshippers in holy lands.
Conspiracy theorists with agendas love to twist.
14 November, 2009 at 3:59 pm
“Conspiracy theorists with agendas love to twist.”
Every person on earth has an “agenda”, better known as having goals. To act as if having an agenda is a bad thing is rather foolish. One of my agendas is to oppose Islam’s agenda of imposing a 7th century cult requiring worship of a false god on me…deal with it.
Conspiracy theorist? ROFLMAO! The conspiracy isn’t theoretical. It’s factual, that’s what I’m trying to tell you.
14 November, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Yes everyone has an agenda, I do. I am talking about those that are designed to forment hate and attack a particular faith or community which is under dictionary terms called bigotry.
Thus, for example, my agenda is to point out BS against my own faith – like saying for instance that Islam is a cult, which under all definitions it is not, and Islam is designed or is trying to force the world back to the 7th century. All obviously wrong and questionable to espouse. If your agenda was to to oppose “Muslims” whom try that, then I would support you.
As for your rolling and folloing over the floor laughing, go ahead, but what is your factual is by far your dream – not only does the Muslim world diagree with you, but in fact the bulk of humanity and the academic world. So you can ROFLMAO all by your lonesome self.
14 November, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Let’s take a quick look at the cult called “islam”
-Dangerous, violent and extremist members
-Members spouting “truths” apparent only to believers and not by outsiders
-Extreme punishments or manipulative techniques to control members
-Recruitment seen as a duty
-Defense of the cult seen as a duty
-Human leadership seen as unquestionable
-Critics of the cult and its practices not allowed and punished
-Members are taught to suppress anything that reflects negatively to outsiders
-Ex members scorned or punished by friends and family
-Discipline is the duty of clerics and leaders
-Ideology is seen as unquestionable and considered the truth even when faced with evidence to the contrary.
islam is definitely a cult.
14 November, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Ronin, shall we look at this closely?
Webster dictionary says that Cult means addoration, faith and in that case, yes Islam follows that, as does Judaism and Christianity.
However, be sure your refering to the third meaning which is:
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious.
In that case, I disagree in many fashions. Unorthodox is impossible to value in a faith in general, there are followings in Islam, Judaism & Christianity that are both orthodox and not.
To say Islam is spurious or “false” is of course the argument from those that do not believe versus those that do, it is a matter of faith.
But lets look at the items that you gave, which in themselves do not distinguish something as a cult, and since you mentioned them, I will respond likewise modifying as necessary.
-Currently with many dangerous, violent and extremist members
-(Delete as meaningless)
- Extreme punishments or manipulative techniques to control members are practiced by some nations and extemist followers
- (Erase as meaningless, recruitment to what?)
- As in all faiths the Defense of the faith, seen as a duty
- Some communities consider Human leadership seen as unquestionable but most do not, with only the Qur’an seen as divine.
- A large ultra-conservative based shows a lack of tolerance of Critics of the faith and its practices thus making it not allowed and punishable
- (scratch as it is pure falicy)
- Backward groups make Ex members scorned or punished by friends and family
-(meaningless)
- Ultra-conservatives make man-made additions into an Ideology that is seen as unquestionable and considered the truth even when obviously rhetorical, words of later followers or historical events.
Now we are getting there. No, Islam is only a cult as much as Judaism and Christianity is.
14 November, 2009 at 6:11 pm
“I am talking about those that are designed to forment hate and attack a particular faith or community which is under dictionary terms called bigotry.”
Yup, exactly what I’m saying! This is what islam does. Non-believers, infidels, dhimmitude, etc. And that whole, “My god is greater than your God” allahu akbar thing. THAT, my friend, is bigotry and is found in abundance in ISLAM. I do not seek to impose Christianity or anything else on anyone. It is a matter of free choice and does not infringe upon my rights in any way. But when any system seeks to impose itself on me, I object. Now, had Muslims exercised their rights without infringing on anyone else’s rights, that’s fine.
You do what you want in your nations. If people FREELY CHOOSE islam, then that is fine and I rejoice at the exercise of free will. But when islam is forced on a people, that is wrong and yes, I object to it and oppose it.
You cannot convince me that islam is not attempting to subvert my country, its founding and its laws. THAT is what is happening. It has happened in Great Britain, Europe and everywhere Muslims have moved in and spread. There is a very clear MO that Muslims follow in seeking to spread islam around the globe. In fact, they make no secret of it. All I am doing is listening to what they are saying and taking them seriously. Why would I stick my head in the sand and ignore what my enemy freely states is their plan? Especially when they have done the exact same thing to other lands?
Just out of curiosity, how many nations HAVE FREELY CHOSEN islam, versus having islam forcibly imposed on them? I mean by massive popular consensus, like at the ballot box?
15 November, 2009 at 4:29 pm
It is very interesting that you have come up with words like “infidels and dhimmitude” which is used by non-Muslims more than almost any Muslim at all. Only theologians and the spokesman for terrorist groups may use the word “kafir” or non-believer but that is it. Dhimmitude is unknown by almost the entire Muslim world but because some anti-Islam agenda haters look up books to find excuses. It is a word that died in history.
So that rather shoots down your theory. Also, the word God is Great, because it is said in Arabic does not make it any different, most faithful Christians would say that God is certainly great! Again, shooting down your argument.
Muslims NEVER say their God is greater because they believe that it is the SAME God, told you that a few times, it would be prudent to listen.
YES, there are a very dangerous and deadly group of Muslim fanatics that are trying to subvert or directly attack your country, I never denied it, in fact I have condemned it and warned about it. But again, they are a political-religio group, not mainstream Muslim and as far as mainstream Muslims believe, not representing Islam at all.
Now, I ask you, which nation freely chose Christianity? That is the funny side of what you have said. Most people of today, since Ronin loves talking about “today” are born Muslim. Yes, much of Islam came on the back military expansion and cultural expansion, just as Christianity did. If you want to bring out history, as I have said each time, then bring it all out.
15 November, 2009 at 12:40 am
“Conspiracy theorists with agendas love to twist.”
Is it not your claim that the Bible has been tampered with by men, to such an extent that they have elevated Jesus Christ from being a prophet like Mo to being the Son of God?
Is it not your claim that the Bible has been tampered with by men, to such an extent that they have claimed to have crucified Jesus Christ when according to your “holy book” they only thought they crucified Him?
You are not merely a conspiracy theorist with an agenda who loves to twist; you are actively involved in a conspiracy against Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Not just a twist in your case, Solkhar; more
like a double pike:
facebook.com/video/video.php?v=103118439705686
You are a slave of allah, and serve him well in his conspiracy against God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
You, like islam, are doomed, unless you choose to end your conspiracy against God.
Spin, Solkhar, but without the skill and finesse of a gymnast.
15 November, 2009 at 7:20 am
Although his counters are typical islamic apologist BS, he forgets the target audience of this website. I am hearing average Americans using the counter arguments learned from this site and those like it. The days of distinguishing average, moderate and extremist muslims is over, people see islam as a collective of different groups using multiple methods to achieve one agenda. No spin will help islams image. I am looking forward to the terrorism trials because it will open up eyes as to cause and effect. People that never cared about islam will get caught up in the parade and have their eyes opened.
15 November, 2009 at 7:52 am
When someone catches Solkhar out, like with his claim about SoA SWT,
he can do a pretty good blackflip;
much of the time he just refuses to accept he’s been busted.
Flagrantly dishonest.
14 November, 2009 at 5:48 am
‘We are not extremists’
Yeah right… and I didn’t eat cheese cake for breakfast.
14 November, 2009 at 2:02 pm
With cherries?
14 November, 2009 at 6:12 am
Solkhar: “Making up things just does not stick.”
And yet you persist.
14 November, 2009 at 6:55 am
Solkhar once more says “I find that not only pathetically obvious, of the lower-end of the moral spectrum but pretty much juvenille.”
Yes, Solkhar, when it suits you, you will find fault with someone in furtherance of your allah-slave agenda, denouncing them as nazis & the like, based on stuff you make up.
You spin everything to “prove your point”, but the things you denounce are the very tactics you embrace.
14 November, 2009 at 7:03 am
Oh, and Solkhar, which part of Morocco was it again where someone was caught drunk while driving a pick-up with afirearm in the back? Or were you / white Rogue, pretending to be in the USA at the time?
What happened to the perp?
14 November, 2009 at 11:30 am
Sounds to me like a “convert of 30 years” is so thoroughly brainwashed as to have no critical thinking skills whatsoever.