Obama’s Kumbaya Warfare: Marines Getting Trained by LAPD

Only one thing a Marine needs to know to win a war:  where to point his weapon.

Cops Show Marines How to Take on the Taliban
Camp Pendleton Marines went to one of LA’s toughest neighborhoods

By JULIE WATSON
Jul 12, 2010 – NBCLosAngeles.com

A tough-talking, muscular Los Angeles police sergeant steadily rattled off tips to a young Marine riding shotgun as they raced in a patrol car to a drug bust: Be aware of your surroundings. Watch people’s body language. Build rapport.

Marine Lt. Andrew Abbott, 23, took it all in as he peered out at the graffiti-covered buildings, knowing that the lessons he learned recently in one of the city’s toughest neighborhoods could help him soon in the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

“People are the center of gravity and if you do everything you can to protect them, then they’ll protect you,” he said. “That’s something true here and pretty much everywhere.”

Abbott was among 70 Camp Pendleton Marines in a training exercise that aims to adapt the investigative techniques the LAPD has used for decades against violent street gangs to take on the Taliban more as a powerful drug-trafficking mob than an insurgency.

The Marines hope that learning to work like a cop on a beat will help them better track the Taliban, build relationships with Afghans leery of foreign troops and make them better teachers as they try to professionalize an Afghan police force beset by corruption.

The troops believe they can learn valuable lessons from the LAPD, which has made inroads into communities after highly publicized abuses, from the videotaped beating of Rodney King to corruption in an anti-gang unit.

“Their role is to win the hearts and minds of the community and that’s what they did,” said Marine Staff Sgt. Brendan Flynn, who also works as a Los Angeles police officer and will be deployed to help train Afghan police.

The weeklong exercise — unbeknownst to the public — involved Marines dressed in jeans and T-shirts observing drugs busts, witnessing prostitution arrests and even following a murder case. It was the largest group of Marines to embed with the city’s officers.

Abbott, of Long Island, N.Y., rode with Sgt. Arno Clair, a 16-year veteran with salt-and-pepper hair who swims up to a mile a day.

During their afternoon together, police handcuffed a bus driver — moments after he was caught by an undercover officer with $25,000 worth of crack cocaine outside an apartment complex in a south-central Los Angeles neighborhood long plagued by violent gangs.

The tattooed suspect wearing an earring and baggy shorts seemed a world away from the ragtag, Kalashnikov-toting Taliban fighters, just as the streets of south-central Los Angeles are from the dusty villages of mud-brick houses in Afghanistan.

But in many ways, police in Los Angeles’ crime-ridden neighborhoods use the same skills that Marines say could help them.

Marines are in charge of training Afghanistan’s army and police but often have no police experience themselves. Their success in building effective police forces is considered key to stabilizing the country and allowing foreign troops to withdraw.

Marines also are changing their approach, realizing that marching into towns to show force alienates communities. Instead, they are being taught to fan out with interpreters to strike up conversations with truck drivers, money exchangers, cell phone sellers and others.

The rapport building can net valuable information that could even alert troops about potential attacks.

Marines can gather intelligence by picking up the notebooks, receipts and other papers left behind in raids that could provide insight into the opium business the Taliban uses to buy their weapons, Afghan expert Gretchen Peters said.

She told Marines before the Los Angeles patrols that they should follow the lead of some Afghans who have gone from using the term “mujahadeen” or “holy warrior” to identify the Taliban to calling them gangsters.

That, she said, shows how fed up the villagers are with being extorted by them and calling them gangsters will win them over.

“Think of the Taliban as the Sopranos in turbans,” she said. “I think essentially they’re criminals.”

Peters, who has written extensively about the Taliban being a criminal network, has been talking to troops across the country before they deploy to Helmand Province, a top opium-producing region.

Afghanistan supplies 90 percent of the world’s opium, the main ingredient of heroin, and is also the leading global supplier of hashish. Last year, opium seizures soared 924 percent because of better cooperation between Afghan and international forces.

In the end, the police training mission is what will win the war, said Marine 2nd Lt. Jared Siebenaler, 24, of Hastings, Minn., who spent the past six months training police in Afghanistan. But he acknowledged their police mission faces enormous challenges.

Siebenaler said many recruits tested positive for drugs, arriving to work high on hashish if they came at all. Supervisors were believed to be skimming money off their officers’ measly salaries. One force had men from two tribes who could barely stand each other.

And then there’s the language barrier between Marines and the Afghan police.

But like most police work, getting past issues of trust and cultural difference begins with a brief encounter on a street.

As Clair and Abbott cruised past a row of dilapidated homes, the police sergeant told him to notice how a person’s walk and dress changes from street to street, and whether children are playing or hurrying by.

Crime here increases with summer’s heat, he said, encouraging Abbott to identify the violence-trigger in Afghanistan, such as at the end of the poppy harvest.

“What’s happenin,’ man?” Clair said, waving his hand out his window to a man who looked away in disgust.

“If they are on the fence about police and they say ‘hi’ back, then at least we’ve dealt with that issue, and if they don’t, then at least I know who I’m dealing with around here,” he told Abbott.

Abbott, following Clair’s example, waved to a woman in the street. She waved back.

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9 Comments on “Obama’s Kumbaya Warfare: Marines Getting Trained by LAPD”

  1. tgusa Says:

    Really,of all the cop shops out there they picked the LAPD? Mo diversity, I suppose. There is a reason that most people of any race creed or color who are not from LA do not go into LA to shop work or play. Here’s a hint, it ain’t just the people. Whatever the LAPD used to be they are not anymore, This is not Joe Fridays LAPD. This can only work out badly IMHO. Remember, s**t sticks, you are who your friends are. Better to just say no.

    • tgusa Says:

      Seems as if every time the LAPD makes an arrest the people in surrounding counties have to clean their guns in anticipation of the backlash from angry mobs or murderers that just got set free back into society. Fortunately they both stay in their own area. Look, I don’t really care what they do up there but I do mind, me, my family, friends and neighbors being the primary target afterward.

  2. tgusa Says:

    And never forget, every single illegal in the country today can be attributed to LA, both the people and the police. MS 13 and many others, these are not new they have just spread, nationwide. If you have an illegal alien community in your state, thank LA, or sue them, whatever.

  3. Leatherneck Says:

    In the New World Order, there is only Police actions, no war.

    Of course, the moon god worshipers will be coming at you with squad tactics. Something, the Police are not aware of. SWAT would be.

    This is why we will lose a lot of Marines.

    Put me in charge before it is to late.

  4. Big Frank Says:

    Law and order can not be forced onto a society where most of the population has never been to school or even listened to a radio. This nation building is all BS and a waste of time money and the precious lives of young people in the military. The real winners in this phony war are the ‘military industrial complex’ and the wonderful Chinese mining companies who have already purchased the Afghan government’s loyalty. After all they are practically neighbors.

    • tgusa Says:

      Law and order. Its a bit off topic but have you followed any of the Polanski bs? The Swiss just agreed not to extradite him to the USA. Many are angry but they are missing the point. First, if he was allowed back in he would get off with probably nothing. Second, he wanted to come back, he wants to die in America yucking it up with his hollyweird buddies, yes, he wanted to go back to the USA…and now he never will. Rejection, a fate worse than death for the left .Hohoho

  5. Nili Says:

    “Build rapport”…Seriously? If it wasn’t so pathetic I would laugh! I live in the middle-east and the only thing understood in this part of the woods is power and fear of that power. We are so doomed.

    • tgusa Says:

      The “rapport” they have been building through investigative techniques the LAPD has used for decades against violent street gangs has brought LA to the point where they won’t have to worry about protecting Korean businesses, they all moved south of the county line into safer territory after the last riot where they will no longer have to suffer the “investigative techniques the LAPD has used for decades against violent street gangs”. I am suspicious that these people have failed to understand why they had to move and import the poison to our county. The juries still out.

  6. Big Frank Says:

    What a crock of crap, the only way to take out the Taliban is with a lead ‘shower’. This kid glove pussyfooting is going nowhere. The only thing these dirtbags understand is a good ass kicking. How foolish we are, a dumbassed attempt at nation building over there, while our nation crumbles by design before our very eyes. An urgency to control others while our borders are wide open, keeping others safe while OUR OWN CITIZENS are increasing danger from a porous border.


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