Fitna – English Version

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  1. Peace Says:

    I try to add my comment but could not. Can you help?

  2. Peace Says:

    Part 1/3

    Peace be unto you all!

    I happed to be driven to this blog only to find this baseless accusation against Islam, Muslims and Prophet Muhammad. According to doctorbulldog & Ronin, Islam IS all about everything that can be conceived evil or vicious in any sense and IS NOT anything that can be conceived in any sense good or virtuous. WHY ALL THIS ISLAMPHOBIA?

    Besides your video footage, I could quote from both of you the following statements: “average muslim nut job has probably committed at least one of those [i.e. elimination of entire races, cultures or peoples] or soon will”; “mohammed a man who if alive today would be guilty of any number of crimes against humanity, murder, slavery, rape, pedophilia and genocide;” “mohammed was a poor choice for a prophet and a worse role model… islam will continue to be a death cult”; Muhammad murdered 900 Jewish men …” “I have never believed mohammed to be anything other than a criminal”; “By today’s standards mohammed would be considered an insane and murderous man” “to your false prophet, Muhammad”; “Islam is an oppressive ideology disguised as a religion”; and “[Islam’s] murderous pedophiles.”

    Of course it is possible to concoct more of the same against Prophet Moses and Jesus Christ and the Old & New Testaments. But such approach does not fit Islamic morality.

    Now let people of sound thinking judge who is truly terrorist (not necessarily only by action but also by words and the ‘value’ you adhere to”? Is it we Muslims in the way we address you in this forum or you in the way you address and portray us in those phrases cited above? Let people of sound understanding decides.

    True, you are presumably saying all this out of freedom of thought and expression. But you must remember that all freedom has its limit and that is why we have the rule of law to restrain and redistribute justly. You need to remember that “your right to swing your arm ends where your arm meets someone else’s nose.”

    Ironically, to your disadvantage, such propaganda encourages more people to appreciate and even embrace Islam. Against all odds, Islam is still the fastest growing religion in the world today. It quickly spreads when it is persecuted and oppressed. My friend, you simply cannot understand! Just see how many people will be drawn to these discussions through your footage and propaganda. I trust a sound human thinking and I believe a grater majority will make a right decision and a right course of thought and action, thanks to your provocative video!

    Islam never condones violence in making its point and Muslim have no problem in coexisting with non-Muslims. In fact, the non-Muslims, particularly Jews were in Medinah even before the arrival of Prophet Muhammad. After Medinan was Islamized, some of Jews embraced Islam, others persisted in Judaism and remained so for many decades after the prophet passed awar. Egypt was under the Muslim rule for more than 1000 years and even it was the centre of Fatimid Dynasty. The Egyptian Copts of Coptic Church were there before Islam, during the Muslim civilization and still they are there until the present time (probably contributing to 10% of the Egyptian population). If it is true that Islam spread by sword, all Jews will be killed in Medina and no Egyptian Copt will be alive during this long history.

    A non-Muslim historian known as De Lacy O’ Leary writes: “History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever accepted.” (Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, p. 8; http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/quote1.html).

    It is not that Muslims live to reluctantly recognize the existence and the right of others (as was the case Christians). Right from their scripture, they have been introduced to people of other faiths including Jews, Christians, Atheists, Materialists and many more of sort. The provision on how to coexist have been well articulated in no ambiguous terms. Whether one is ready to read it with an open, unbiased mind is a different question!

    If you have time for intellectual discourse on who is truly terrorist you may refer to George Galloway’s interview at http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/08/07/18295223.php (never mind it is less than 10 minutes; much shorter than yours)

    What you do not know is that Islam is a strong religion and its strength lies in its simplicity not in obscurity. It appeals to the strong and the weak, the rich and the poor. It attracts the illiterates and appeals more to the intelligentsias. It spreads at times of prosperity and at times of adversity. It appeals to those outside the prison and to those inside it even appeals to those at war zone. Through the immigration and conversion, the populations of Muslim population in the West is increasing (and this is obviously your utmost fear).
    CONTINUED ….

  3. Peace Says:

    Part 2/3

    My dear brothers and sisters in humanity, particularly doctorbulldog & Ronin, have you ever asked or seriously studied what is in this religion that attracts men from all walks of life at all circumstances for over 1400 years, leaving indelible mark on human civilization, having more than 1.5 billion followers worldwide today and still on the rise?! Could it be simply attributed to ‘fanaticism, irrationality, violence, extremism, terrorism and the like? How could a former British Catholic Priest, Idris Tawfiq, who, after knowing more about his religion more than what you know about yours, embraced Islam. Was he fooled by Muslim magic? Maybe you need to enlighten him through his homepage http://www.idristawfiq.com/3-One%20mans.html!

    I do not think that anyone with minimal intelligence will subscribe to that simplistic, apologetic and naive idea, except, of course those who take you both as their Gurus. The quick and right answer is that Islam is innate, natural religion of humankind (din al-Fitrah) (Qur’an 30: 30) and the Qur’an is ‘a reminder’ (dhikr) (Qur’an 21: 50; 36: 69; 38: 87; 68: 52; 81: 27) to that innate, natural code of living. The nature of man, that of the universe in which he lives, that of the Religion he practices, and that of the Book sent to him, are all in perfect harmony. That is what where it goes it feels to home, not anathema to (sound) human cultures and civilizations.

    Sir George Bernard Shaw in ‘The Genuine Islam,’ (Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936) has the following to say:
    “I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him – the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity.” (see also http://www.themodernreligion.com/quotations_islamic.htm;
    http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/quote1.html)

    Be reminded my friend, Islam is all about Peace: Peace within human himself/herself, Peace among humans; Peace between human and God; and Peace between human and nature. But it is peace out of strength, not out of foolishness and disgrace.

    Let me be clear what I mean by peace. For example, if someone brutally beat you without any serious provocation, you have apparently three immediate reactions/responses: (1) you can do unto him what he did unto you; (2) you can tolerate, forgive and turn away: (3) or you can ask him to do more of the same action again. Where does Islam stand in this scenario? Islam permits the first choice but encourages the second choice; the third choice has no place in Islamic morality whatsoever. It is not peace but humiliation and stupidity which even animal can hardly tolerate! In other words,

    Muslims are highly encouraged TO FORGIVE BUT ALSO ALLOWED to use force against non-Muslims WHOSE TORTURE BECOMES UNBEARABLE.

    Based on your shortsightedness, uncritical and scientific methodology, you can quote my previous statement by deleting words with uppercase, replacing it with three dots ‘…’ and retaining only words with lower case in order to read into my word the value you believer in. As time passes by, you or your puppet disciple may omit the three dot in order to make the quotation ‘smarter’ and ‘straightforward’. Eventually you make my word appear as “Muslims are highly encouraged to use force against non-Muslims”.

    Of course, those who read the statement or trace the event from the start to the finish will easily know how much you have twisted my statement and how absurd your conclusion is. As for those who look through your spectacle, they will be misguided. And this, I suspect, is what you have been truly trained and made for.

    CONTINUED ….

  4. Peace Says:

    Part 3/3
    Let me conclude by this quotation from two non-Muslim historians:
    1-Michael Hart in ‘The 100, A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons In History,’ New York, 1978. He puts the name of Prophet Muhammad on the top of the ladder. In the first paragraph he has the following to say:
    My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the secular and religious level. …It is probable that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity. …It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history. (http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/quote1.html)

    2-Alphonse de LaMartaine in ‘Historie de la Turquie,’ Paris, 1854 says:
    “If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astonishing results are the three criteria of a human genius, who could dare compare any great man in history with Muhammad”
    http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/quote1.html

    Notice to brother Amin

    Thanks to your excellent job. But let us not waste our valuable time with doctorbulldog & Ronin (and their protagonists). They know very LITTLE about the true teaching of Islam; what they know can probably best be described as ‘copy/past’ and ‘quote out of context’. Still that very LITTLE is, by far, more than what they know about the essence of their own religions, if they have any. They are most probably professional propagandists and are on fulltime propaganda service. They simply want to irritate Muslims so that they can prove or make their point. Sometimes, the right response is not to respond. Of course, as human having feelings, we cannot simply keep quiet. But I think what we have said is sufficient to minimize their damage, and let people read all the arguments and make their own choice. (http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/quote1.html)

    May Allah/God guide you all aright or (oh sorry, since some of you believe that your god is different from Allah/God) may you be guided aright.

    (sorry, I might not be able to visit or reply to your possible responses; I have no time for this type of discourse)


  5. Peace said:,

    May Allah/God guide you all aright or (oh sorry, since some of you believe that your god is different from Allah/God) may you be guided aright.

    Yeah, even Muslims agree that Allah and God are not the same:

    Malaysian Muslims Rule Against Christians Using the Word Allah to Mean God.

    “Of course it is possible to concoct more of the same against Prophet Moses and Jesus Christ and the Old & New Testaments. But such approach does not fit Islamic morality.”

    No, it is NOT possible to concoct more of the same against Jesus!

    THAT is why you didn’t!

    In fact, I challenge YOU to do the same against Jesus!

    Of course, you’re going to be hard pressed to find Jesus asking His Apostle’s to kill His critics, rape women and children, enslave them, etc. etc.

    Muhammad, on the other hand… Well, perhaps he was touched in the head:

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 400:

    Narrated Aisha:

    Once the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done.

    They know very LITTLE about the true teaching of Islam; what they know can probably best be described as ‘copy/past’ and ‘quote out of context’

    That is what really pisses me off about you apologists! The moment you encounter someone with a brain, you accuse them of cut&pasting from somewhere else and quoting out of context.

    Bullshit!

    I have seriously STUDIED ISLAM for over 20 YEARS!

    I have NUMEROUS books on Islam sitting right in front of me!

    I, like you, once DEFENDED ISLAM!!!!!

    But, there comes a point when you can no longer, in all good consciousness, put your blinders on to the cupidity, concupiscence, and evilness of Muhammad and his followers.

    Jesus said that you will know them by their fruits. Well, the fruits of Muhammad are murder, rape, lying, pedophilia, kidnapping, slavery, etc. etc.!

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 270: “Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah: The Prophet said, “Who is ready to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has really hurt Allah and His Apostle?” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Do you like me to kill him?” He replied in the affirmative. So, Muhammad bin Maslama went to him (i.e. Ka’b) and said, “This person (i.e. the Prophet) has put us to task and asked us for charity.” Ka’b replied, “By Allah, you will get tired of him.” Muhammad said to him, “We have followed him, so we dislike to leave him till we see the end of his affair.” Muhammad bin Maslama went on talking to him in this way till he got the chance to kill him.

    Be reminded my friend, Islam is all about Peace:

    Bullshit!

    ISLAM is all about SUBMISSION!

    Always has been, always will. As Ronin likes to say, “don’t listen to what Muslims say, watch what they do…”

    Sure, you can try to justify Muhammad’s actions however you wish, but in the end, once you have REALLY studied Islam and gone beyond all the ice cream propaganda, you, like me, will discover that only a fool defends a demonstrably false prophet.

    But I think what we have said is sufficient to minimize their damage,

    It is not my intent to “damage” anyone, but rather to “repair” the damaged truth.

    The truth is, Muhammad was a mass murderer and not a prophet.

    “The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men.” (Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464)

    I can quote stuff like this all day long. These are not just one time aberrations.

    If Islam were truly all about “Peace,” then Muhammad surely would not have murdered so many people…

    He was a cult leader, just like a Jim Jones or a David Koresh or a Warren Jeffs.

    Don’t drink the Kool-Aid.

    Cheers

  6. tnr Says:

    It’s false to say that Moses and Jesus were prophets as much as it it false to consider Mohamed a prophet. He called himself a prophet but was in fact an impostor. You can compare him with another cult leader, a present-time impostor, the “prophet Raël” who is attracting followers with his “sensual meditation” and “cosmic orgasms

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Vorilhon


  7. TNR,

    Hey! Sign me up for that religion! Hehehe

    You know what I like most about Amin? I can tell he’s thinking and really puts a lot of thought into what he says.

    “Peace” on the other hand is just blowing smoke in an attempt to stop Amin from actually thinking…

    But let us not waste our valuable time with doctorbulldog & Ronin

    Cheers

  8. Leatherneck Says:

    Mohamed enjoyed rape, and murder. That is who you follow stupid.

  9. Ronin Says:

    Peace,

    Let us be honest a second. Your issue with me is not my lack of knowledge of islam, you are angry because I know too much. Just for clarity like Doc I have studied islam most of my adult life but so what?

    No one needed to study nazi propaganda, history or ideology to realize it was a violent, oppressive, and murderous ideology lead by a madman. Almost everything I know about your violent, oppressive, and murderous ideology I learned through Islamic sources. The same sources that many respected Islamic clerics quote.

    For years now pompous muslim apologists have tried every angle to discredit me. Common themes include:

    I misunderstand, need to study or have a bad translation of Islamic texts.

    Only a few misguided/misinformed or bad muslims are the problem.

    All religious orders are equally oppressive.

    All mainstream religions worship the same God/prophets and have similar values.

    I am misguided, wrong a racist or just __________(fill in the blank)

    There are many others but I degress. The issue here is none of you can explain away, whitewash or cover up almost 1400 years of a violent, oppressive, and murderous ideology based on the rants of a madman.

    Had any one of you made any head way toward modernizing the koran, discrediting the madman mohammed and organizing a real religion based on modern values, I would quit this blog and start one on kayak fishing. Instead I am stuck here explaining why people such as you are just pompous asses spouting lies, half-truths and propaganda.

    Good day to you sir.

  10. Reg Says:

    Islam is evil, they are barbarick pigs, kick them all out

  11. Leatherneck Says:

    Hey, you gave pigs a bad name! The little ones are so cute.

    PPPPIIIIGGGGGSooooooooooeeeeee! Go Hogs! Arkansas Razerbacks number one!


  12. Peace

    As I said before…

    So called ‘islamaphobia’ isn’t simple ignorance or a lack of information about islam.

    For we ‘islamaphobes’ we aren’t afraid of islam as a mere religino but an entire system that has done little but to make people ‘slaves’ to islam and its ‘god allah’.

    We non muslims constantly read up on the quran, hadiths and alot of other subjects about islam.

    We are not ignorant… we simply reject the islamic system because it would interfer with our lives, beleifs and perfered lifestyles.

    Your ‘dawah’ is wasted here. We are too able to counter your propaganda with what we consider true and good.

    We non muslims can easily discover islam and its contrary practices online, in libraries and we could even bother to ask muslims face to face.

    But peace you & I both know you won’t tell the truth. Because the truth is…

    Islam is a failed system…

    A system that has a long history of murders, wars, slavery, and inhumane activities.

    Your welcome to your islam…

    As I am welcome to my choices of beliefs & lifestyle.


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