‘Allah’ Not Exclusive to Muslims: Malaysian Court

This is a mixed blessing to be sure. On one hand, it allows Christians the right to discuss allah as God and with muslims. This is more important than a free speech issue. It could potentially save lives by taking away the extremists argument that Christians discussing allah are apostates and deserve death. To be sure muslims will react violently to this news but without legal protection islamic clerics will have a hard time justifying the violence.

Anything that allows for even a brief discussion between the two competing ideologies can be a good thing. Most muslims and many Christians are completely unaware that allah and the God of the Christians are not the same deity. Through discussions on ideologies, maybe a few muslim cult members will decide that a message of love and hope is better than the blood sacrifices demanded by islam.

Kuala Lumpur, 1 Jan, 2010, Outlook India
In a landmark verdict, a Malaysian court has ruled that Christians have the Constitutional right to use the word ‘Allah’ while referring to God, setting aside a government ban on its use by the country’s religious minorities.

The High Court ruling came on Thursday on a lawsuit filed by the Catholic weekly Herald, whose publication permit was approved by the home ministry on the condition that it would not use the word ‘Allah’.
-An important victory for the Christians and a step toward equality.

After the verdict, government lawyers said they would consult with the home ministry before deciding whether to appeal.

The Herald is now free to use the word ‘Allah’ in its publication after the court quashed the home minister’s prohibition against it using the word, declaring the order as “illegal, null and void.”
-Muslim extremists are terrified that Christians can compare the messages, differences and results of worship and that it will lead to mass conversions by muslims. There has never been a single incidents of mass conversions from Christianity to islam unless violence and abuse was involved. Any conversions without the use of violence will be one way-islam to Christianity.

In her decision, Justice Lau Bee Lan also declared that under Article 3(1) of the Federal Constitution, applicant Titular Roman Catholic Archbishop Murphy Pakiam had the Constitutional right to use ‘Allah’ in the Herald in the exercise of his right that religions other than Islam might be practised in peace and harmony in the country.

She further ruled that the Constitution, which states Islam as the country’s religion, did not empower the minister to make such a prohibition.
-Good point secular law should always hold a higher authority than religious law especially oppressive and backwards systems like sharia.

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15 Comments on “‘Allah’ Not Exclusive to Muslims: Malaysian Court”

  1. islams not for me Says:

    There is one problem with allowing proptestant and catholic groups to use the term ‘allah’ is that the Christian idea of God is triune not singular.

    Even Arab Chhristians mention that.

    “God”

    “-We believe that there is only one true and living God who is omnipotent, omnipresent, invisible, eternal, omniscient, infinite, unchangeable, unsearchable, righteous, loving, Just, Holy, wise God who exists in three persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. (Triune God).
    (Rev. 19:6, John 1:18, 1 John 3:20, Ps. 139:7-12, Rom 11:33,34, Deut 33:27, Deut 6:4, Acts 15:18, 2 Cor 13:14, Matt 28:19)”

    “The Father ”

    “-We believe the Father is the first person of the Triune God who is sovereign over all things and who is above all. He is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and the spiritual Father of all those who believe on His son.
    (I Cor 8:6, Eph 1:5, Jn 20:17)”

    “The Son”

    “-We believe that Jesus Christ is the second person of the triune God who is equal with the Father and Holy Spirit. He was made flesh, was conceived by the Holy Ghost from a virgin and lived a sinless life that always was pleasing to the Father. He came to give His life a ransom for many as He died on a cross for the sins of the whole world was buried rose again from the dead on the third day and ascended to the Father. He is seated on the right side of the Father interceding for us. He is the Head of the church and one day is coming to remove the church from this world. He will come to establish His millennial reign and at the end of His thousand year reign will judge the lost of all ages at the great white throne judgment where every knee shall bow.
    (Jn 1;14, Matt 1;18-23, II Cor 5:21, Jn 11:25, Phil 2:5-8 Acts 1:9-11 Rev 20)”

    “The Holy Spirit”

    “-We believe the Holy Spirit is the third Person of the triune God who convicts of sin and delivers from the power of sin. He baptizes believers into the body of Christ and indwells from the moment of salvation and leads those who believe. The Holy Spirit fills believers, empowers them and bears fruit through them for the glory of God.
    (Rom 8:2,14,16, 26-27, Jn 16:7, Eph 5:18, Gal 5:22)”

    http://www.arabicbible.com/about_us/faith.htm

    In using the term ‘allah’ those Christian groups in Malaysia may find that thier ideals will be throughly rejected by thier muslim nieghbors.

    • arah Says:

      Many of us are confused between the teaching of Paul the murderer and the teaching of Jesus.

      “The most important commandments,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, is one Lord’”
      Mark 12:29

      Al-Ma’idah (The Table Spread)

      5:17 (Y. Ali) In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.”

      As exclaimed by Moses (pbuh): “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” Deuteronomy 6:4.

      “I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from Me there is no God.”
      Isaiah 45:5.

      “You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God.”
      Exodus 20:3-5

      Jesus Christ (pbuh) said the following in the Bible:
      “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”
      John 17:3

      “How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?”
      John 5:44

      • Ronin Says:

        Doc, is busy, I got this:

        Qualities that Jesus Christ possessed before, during and after incarnation:

        Although Jesus Christ was fully divine before and after the incarnation, it is clear that several qualities He possessed before incarnation, were either given up, in order to become a man, or became dormant and were not used. Here are two quotes that give further details to this idea:

        “When Jesus came to this earth he did not lose his power, he did not lose his prerogatives, his privileges. He did not cease to be God. He took another role, he didn’t use what he had. He came to serve, not to show himself to be God. He came to do the will of the Father, and coming to earth Jesus changed roles. He took on himself the form of a servant. As a servant Jesus did every thing in this role. As a servant, Jesus would not, he did not use his innate power to give himself glory, which he surrendered. He lived in the flesh. He experienced in every way what the human spirit experiences in the body. He imposed upon himself all the limitations necessary or commensurate with this role.” … “(While) we all agree that Jesus laid aside certain rights and abilities that He has as God, so in effect He was without them, we do not agree” … “we do not agree that He was stripped of them so that He did not possess the characteristics that make him God. To the man, we believe that Jesus retained His deity, as the word is legitimately defined.” (Gene Frost, Frost-Welsh debate)

        “The distinction between “nature” and “conditions” is worth pursuing. What we are saying is that his basic powers were not lost, but only the ability to exercise them. I am reminded of a picnic to which my wife and I were invited when our youngest daughter was in junior high school. Included among the activities was a softball game. There was one unusual feature of the rules that day. The young people were permitted to bat in their normal fashion, but as a means of equalizing the competition, the parents were placed under a handicap. Right-handed batters had to bat left-handed, and vice versa (switch-hitters, of course, had a great day). Now one’s ability as a right-handed batter was not diminished, but it could not be exercised because of the requirement to bat from the left-handed-batter’s box. Although one was still able to bat right-handed, one was not allowed to in that particular game, and thus could not bat with the usual effectiveness. In a sense, the limitation was not ultimately physical, for it resulted from a moral limitation: conscience compelled us to tell the truth about how we normally batted. This is in some ways roughly parallel to what happened in the incarnation. Jesus did not give up the qualities of God, but gave up the privilege of exercising them. Perhaps, at least for part of his life, he even gave up the consciousness that he had such capabilities and had exercised them with the Father and the Holy Spirit prior to the incarnation.” (Making Sense of the Trinity – Three Crucial Questions, Millard J. Erickson, 2000AD)

        -So. although Jesus was “everywhere” (omnipresent) before incarnation, he was limited to being in one place at one time, when he was a man. Obviously then, omnipresence is not an absolute condition of being God, because the fullness of deity dwelt in Jesus while he walked the earth. (Col 2:9)

        -Although Jesus was “all knowing” (omniscient) before incarnation, he learned things as he grew from a baby to adulthood, when he was a man. (Lk 2:52) Obviously then, being “all knowing” is not an absolute condition of being God, because the fullness of deity dwelt in Jesus while he walked the earth. (Col 2:9)

        Although Jesus was all powerful (omnipotent) before incarnation, he fell beneath the weight of the cross on route to crucifixion. Obviously then, being “all powerful” is not an absolute condition of being God, because the fullness of deity dwelt in Jesus while he walked the earth. (Col 2:9) “How can Jesus have access to all wisdom and at the same time go through the learning process, etc. I don’t know. I don’t know”. (Gene Frost, Frost-Welsh debate)

        -Although Jesus was a “spirit” without flesh and bones, before incarnation, he changed and became flesh and bones. Obviously then, being “a spirit” is not an absolute condition of being God, because the fullness of deity dwelt in Jesus while he walked the earth. (Col 2:9)

        -Although the Bible says God is immutable (unchangeable) this quality refers not to the presence, knowledge, power or ontological make up of God, but his core moral values.

        • Ronin Says:

          I rarely fight ideological battles verse for verse, Doc is really good at that but even I can prove the Bible and the koran discuss different deity and the Bible being older dismisses the follow on copy.

          From my perceptive, these arguments come down to one thing: is Jesus and God the same? If that answer is yes than every word in the koran which dismisses Christ as a common man although also a prophet is a false ideology.

          Therefore, we start our search at the beginning:
          “Let US make man in OUR image”: Three plural pronouns, (We, Us, Our) used 6 different times in four different passages: Gen 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isa 6:8. The unanimous opinion of the apostolic Fathers was that the Father was talking to Jesus.

          Clearly, the Christians have a Trinity; God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Ghost. There simply is no way according to Christian texts for the koran and its dismissel of Christ as God to be anything but blasphemy.

          Burn in hell pedophile worshiper.

          How did I do Christians?

  2. yummy Says:

    it is not really a problem when you think it spiritual.

  3. islams not for me Says:

    Yummy

    Allah is not a personal god. It is a spirit that is divorced from its creation.

    I perfer a God that is personal to one that calls me a slave.

  4. islams not for me Says:

    Links to this story:

    Malaysian court rules Christians can use Allah
    Published On December 31 , 2009Comments

    http://www.heraldmalaysia.com/news/storydetails.php/Malaysian-court-rules-Christians-can-use–'Allah-'/3692-0-1

    Allah for all
    Published On January 01 , 2010

    http://www.heraldmalaysia.com/news/storydetails.php/Allah-for-all/3695-1-1

    Cautious celebrations over Allah judgment
    Published On December 31 , 2009
    By Debra Chong

    http://www.heraldmalaysia.com/news/storydetails.php/Cautious-celebrations-over-‘Allah’-judgment/3694-1-1

  5. arah Says:

    Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to a common word between us and you: that we shall worship none but God, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside God. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him). (Aal ‘Imran 3:64)

    Al-Ma’idah (The Table Spread)
    5:17 (Y. Ali) In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.”

    As exclaimed by Moses (pbuh): “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” Deuteronomy 6:4.

    “I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from Me there is no God.”
    Isaiah 45:5.

    “You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God.”
    Exodus 20:3-5

    Jesus Christ (pbuh) said the following in the Bible:
    “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”
    John 17:3

    “How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?”
    John 5:44

    “The most important commandments,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, is one Lord’”
    Mark 12:29

    59:24 (Y. Ali) He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

    2:255 (Y. Ali) Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

    2:256 (Y. Ali) Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

    The name of God is Allah even in the Bible

    • Ronin Says:

      Doc is busy with his sick mother so I’ll show you how easy it is to dismiss idiots taking things out of context:

      I used the old Call a Christian method and asked about John. You should have kept reading, pedophile worshiper. The book of John also says:

      5″Now, Father,glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world begain”.

      Looks like Jesus was around long before mohammed used the myth of allhat to invent allah. Mohammed was a simple conman not a prophet, sorry charlie you lose.

    • Ronin Says:

      Allah is never found in the Bible

      Contrary to Muslim claims, the word “Allah” is never found in the Bible in either Hebrew and Greek. The closest two words we find are the Hebrew “alah” (which means to curse, mourn or rise, and is never applied to God) and the Hebrew word “Elah” (Strongs 425) which means has been translated either oak or turpentine tree. Isa 6:13. So apart form the superficial similarity in appearance arguing Allah is in the Bible because of similarities, is like saying Mormon is in the Qur’an because it looks like Muslim.
      The first Arabic translation of the Bible came into existence about the 9th century. Nowhere is the name of Allah found in the Old or New Testament
      “Oh Ya, Oh Allah, Oh Really?” Islamic apologists like Ahmed Deedat, falsely argue that Allah is a biblical name for God derived from Hallelujah which he initially misspells “Allelujah” then further misspells “AlleluYa”. Deedat comments, “Then what is Alleluya? The last syllable “YA” is a vocative and an exclamatory particle in both Arabic and Hebrew meaning “OH!” In other words YA = OH, (the vocative); and YA = (!), a note of exclamation, or an exclamatory particle, or as is more commonly known an exclamation mark. The Semite, both Arab and Jew, begins with the exclamatory particle or exclamation mark. The Westerner, in his language ends with the exclamatory particle or exclamation mark, eg. Stop! Go! Fire! Bang! Let us repeat the above Tasbih (words of praise) as an Arab or a Jew: ALLE-LU-YA will be YA-ALLE-LU because, as explained above, YA is always at the beginning in both Arabic and Hebrew. YA ALLE LU would be YA ALLA HU: Meaning, “OH ALLAH!”. (Allah in the Bible, What is His Name?, Ahmed Deedat, p 37). W. E. Vine comments: “Alleluia, without the initial H, is a misspelling”. The Hebrew is literally, “hah-lay-loo-yah” = “[let us] praise the Lord”. So the similarity is not only invalid, it is in the wrong part of the compound word. “Allah” corresponds to “let us praise” rather than, “YAH” which is the short form of “Jehovah”. So Deedat misspells the Hebrew word, finds similarity in the wrong part of the word, misspells YA and says it means “OH”, when in fact it is YAH, which is a shortened “Jehovah”, and fails to recognize the word “Hallelujah” literally means, “Praise Jehovah”, which is the universally accepted meaning for 3500 years, until Deedat comes along! This is not a credit to Deedat’s alleged educational credentials.
      “Eli or Allah?” Deedat also teaches that Jesus was calling upon the Muslim God Allah in Matthew 27:46, where the Greek reads: “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani”. Meaning, “my God My God why have you forsaken me”. Deedat says of this passage, ” Can’t they see that the cry is to Allah? “Eli, Eli – Elah, Elah, Allah, Allah!” (Allah in the Bible, What is His Name?, Ahmed Deedat) This kindergarten approach to similar sounding words is so wild, we need not even comment on it. But it is the best Deedat has!
      In a silly attempt to show that the Islam word for God, “Allah” is superior to the word for God used by all other cultures because “you cannot make a feminine of Allah”. Deedat pontificates: “This Arabic word, Allah, is never used in any other sense. There is no such thing as an “Allah-father” or an “Allah-mother” or a “Tin-Allah.” ALLAH is a unique word for the only God. Arabic, like every other language, also has its rules of grammar, but in Arabic you cannot make a plural form for Allah, nor can you make a feminine of Allah. All this is very unlike the English word, God.” (Allah in the Bible, What is His Name?, Ahmed Deedat) But this is deception because Deedat knows full well that in 600AD Allah, the moon God of the tribe of Muhammad, had a daughter named “Al-Lat”, which is the feminine form of “Allah”! So the word “Allah” is like God and “Al-Lat” is like Godess! Arthur Jeffrey says, “The name Allah, as the Qur’an itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Arabia.” (Arthur Jeffrey, ed., Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, 1958, p. 85.)

      In other words, muslims are full of it

    • Ronin Says:

      The counters to his lies can be found here:

      http://www.bible.ca/bible.htm

      allah as every Christian already knows is not mentioned in the Bible except maybe as satin. His lies are common and have already been dismissed as islamic propagandist BS years ago. Still, I encourage you all to learn these commonly used deceptions and distortions of Christian ideology so you can inform your friends.

  6. islams not for me Says:

    Gee arah forgot to mention that allah is unknowable and not a father.

    nice try though…


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