Senate Approves Indefinite Detentions for Americans on American Soil

Apparently, they don’t understand the U.S. Constitution, nor do they wish to win re-election! 

…You know, those FEMA camps are started to look less and less like a conspiracy theory:

H/T – Gonzo

‘Indefinite Detention’ Bill Passes Senate 93-7
Americans completely stripped of all rights under Section 1031
Paul Joseph Watson – – Friday, December 2, 2011

The Senate last night codified into law the power of the U.S. military to indefinitely detain an American citizen with no charge, no trial and no oversight whatsoever with the passage of S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act.

One amendment that would have specifically blocked the measures from being used against U.S. citizens was voted down and the final bill was passed 93-7.

Another amendment introduced by Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein that attempted to bar the provision from being used on American soil, an effort to ensure “the military won’t be roaming our streets looking for suspected terrorists,” also failed, although Feinstein voted in favor of the bill anyway.

Feinstein was able to include a largely symbolic amendment which states that “nothing in the bill changes current law relating to the detention of U.S. citizens and legal aliens,” but this measure is meaningless according to Republican Congressman Justin Amash, a fierce critic of the bill.

“Some have asserted that Sen. Feinstein’s amendment, S Amdt 1456, protects the rights of American citizens and preserves constitutional due process. Unfortunately, it does not. It’s just more cleverly worded nonsense,” Amash wrote on his Facebook page.

Though the White House has threatened to veto the bill, the fact that Obama administration lawyers yesterday reaffirmed their backing for state sponsored assassination of U.S. citizens would suggest otherwise. Not voting for the bill, or in other words upholding the oath to protect the Constitution, has been described over and over again as “political suicide”.

“The bill puts military detention authority on steroids and makes it permanent, American citizens and others are at greater risk of being locked away by the military without charge or trial,” said Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union.

As Spencer Ackerman highlights, the bill completely violates the sixth amendment in that it allows American citizens to be locked up indefinitely, including in a foreign detention center, without any burden of proof whatsoever. An American merely has to be declared a terrorist and they can be abducted off the streets and never seen again.

“The detention mandate to use indefinite military detention in terrorism cases isn’t limited to foreigners. It’s confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other, but in the judgment of the University of Texas’ Robert Chesney — a nonpartisan authority on military detention — “U.S. citizens are included in the grant of detention authority,” writes Ackerman.

More info on the compromise amendment to the bill:

Senate Votes Not To Vote On Indefinite Detention On Americans

Mother Jones  — By Adam Serwer

Can Americans be indefinitely detained by the military on suspicion of terrorism if arrested on American soil? Thursday evening the Senate added a compromise amendment to the defense spending bill that states: Maybe.

Specifically, it says the bill does not alter current authorities relating to detention, leaving either side free to argue whether current law allows or prohibits indefinite military detention of Americans captured in the US.

The compromise amendment passed by a 99-1 after a previous effort by Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif) that would have explicitly prevented the indefinite detention of Americans without trial failed 45-55. Several Democrats joined Republicans in blocking the latter amendment with Republican Senators Mike Lee (R-Utah) Rand Paul (R-Ky) and Mark Kirk (R-Ill) joining most Democrats in voting for Feinstein’s amendment.

The reason the compromise amendment worked is that it leaves the question of domestic military detention open, leaving the matter for Supreme Court to resolve should a future president decide to assert the authority to detain a US citizen on American soil. Senators who defended the detention provisions can continue to say that current law allows Americans to be detained based on the 2004 Hamdi v Rumsfeld case in which an American captured fighting in Afghanistan was held in military detention. Opponents can continue to point out that the Hamdi case doesn’t resolve whether or not Americans can be detained indefinitely without charge if captured in their own country, far from any declared battlefield. They have the better of the argument.

The compromise amendment however, does nothing to address the Obama administration’s concerns about the bill. The Directors of the FBI and CIA, the secretary of defense, and the director of national intelligence have all said that the bill’s provision mandating military detention of non-citizen terror suspects apprehended on American soil would interfere with terrorism investigations and harm national security. That hasn’t changed. The question is whether or not the administration is willing to make good on its threat to veto the bill, or whether it was just bluffing.

The floor debate over the Feinstein amendment showed that the argument over whether Americans in the US could be subject to indefinite military detention without trial doesn’t fall neatly along partisan or ideological lines. Senator Kirk, in particular, gave a spirited defense of Feinstein’s amendment, saying, “Most Americans think you can only be convicted of a crime in the United States beyond the shadow of a doubt by a jury of your peers. But if this [bill without the Feinstein amendment] is passed, that is no longer true.”

Now, we simply have no idea.


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14 Comments on “Senate Approves Indefinite Detentions for Americans on American Soil”

  1. Yet more evidence that the US Gov and its allies can get rid of any group that they want to.

    More than likely Christians will be offed because we stand up against the islamic theocrats and thier homosexual allies.

  2. Gonzo Says:

    This is why I think history courses need to be restructured.
    Strip out the asinine obsession so many instructors have with dates, and teach history lessons.

    If the true benefit of knowing history is to prevent its repeat, dates are near entirely irrelevant.

    American history is not an insult to anyone. It is extremely important to understand what types of tyranny our forefathers were escaping, and why the Constitution was written how it was.

    Thanks Doc.

  3. Ronin Says:

    Hmmm first they figure out how to turn off the net, then they change the law to lock up folks that they do not approve of. Then you see all the state owned media warning about civil strife (except for occupy groups, they are ok). It has to just be random.

    Anyone notice how many cities suddenly have cameras on all the major traffic intersections? Or the cute little steel boxes strapped to the poles?

    All just random, not connected to nuttin, sleep now, its all good.

  4. tgusa Says:

    Taxation without representation and now incarceration without representation, what’s next? This is kind of interesting because usually the mafia just kills those who get out of line. But, I guess the GM wants us to pay for this through taxation. This is the sort of stuff that could eventually lead to war. When you gotta resort to this you have already lost the war. They had better be careful or a hundred million Americans will climb their walls and break all their toys.

    My plan has always been to carry the fight for our Constitutional freedoms, rights and American values regardless of what they try to do to me or where they might try to send me and this changes nothing. WTH, I got nuttin better to do. That’s a good cause and it is the right thing to do. So who’s with me? That’s ok, you need not answer. In this battle it’s gonna take all kinds.

    And I don’t give a damn what they say or do I ain’t goin in and rescuing no preserdent nor senerter no way no how.

  5. tgusa Says:

    It is not the greater American people who pose the threat but those who have come here in the period since the 60’s immigration changes. IMO, we are going to have to visit the Kennedy legacy and deport any post 60’s immigrants/descendants who are found not to share fundamental values our country is based upon. Perhaps we may even need to take up the issue of those brought here as slaves many of which resent us, don’t like us and do not intend to integrate into American society as so many others have done for hundreds of years. We fought a war between ourselves that ended slavery and I’m sick of hearing about it.

    I also think that we will need to revisit the Reagan amnesty because before that we didn’t have this mexicano separatist/la raza element (although there were plenty of Americans of Mexican/Spanish ancestry here before that) constituency who again, do not intend on partaking in our Republic. The enemy within is truly the enemy within our establishment guvmint, at all levels. Diversity codes and liberal lunacy have seen to that through law. The “Man” is frightened, but not by us but by the very people they believed they were helping. We may need to re4sort to lie detectors for all civil servants to confirm or deny US loyalty. I would rather do that than imprison them. In the few cases where someone declares their innocence they could demand to be water-boarded to establish the truth.

    This will not rid us of the anti American element. We will still have our usual suspects, like we always have. But we can deal with that without resorting to some sort of internment.

    • Leatherneck Says:

      Internment would be for folks like you, and me. Not those who hate America. Our posts are Nationalist in nature. The enemy of the global government types that hate the Constitution, and Bill of Rights.

      We are lucky Dr. Bulldog, and Ronin know how to nuke CDs.

      • tgusa Says:

        This is a proclamation that we can and will use against “them”. While we water boarding these pols (to dislodge any and all traitors) a good probing will be in order and the military now has the staff for that thanks to, well, “them”. So remember, intern, water board, probe and then flush the enemy within. Rinse and repeat as necessary.

      • tgusa Says:

        They cannot even afford to incarcerate convicted criminals. They walk a fine line of control of our prisons primarily because the inmates let them. Can you imagine what will go on if they began putting us behind bars simply for being proud Americans who love our country? We can be a pain in the arse here or we can be a pain in the arse over there, It’s either here or there, no matter.

        I can see them now, they lock us up and then the islamists start coming for them and their families. The next thing we know they are trying to get in and hide out among us, LOL.

        A mans got to know his limitations.

      • tgusa Says:

        If it were to come to this I intend on forcing them to do one of two things. Do a Nathan Hale on me, or, pay me a hefty sum to get the heck outta their camp.

  6. Gonzo Says:

    More of the same type of Obama lie. He says he is considering vetoing the Bill because of the wording to detain US citizens indefinitely, but it was he who insisted that it be put in. And this from a Democrat Congressman:

  7. Gonzo Says:

    …You know, those FEMA camps are started to look less and less like a conspiracy theory:

    Speaking of….

  8. Big Frank Says:

    I dare say that we under the regime of our ‘Dear Leader’ and his Socialist/ Communist cabal are on the path to becoming a ‘Soviet America’. With these devious dirtbags in office, one can kiss Habeas corpus and due process goodbye. Welcome to ‘Big Brother’s ‘ New World Order’. It won’t be long before we see the large illuminated signs on every corner and building flashing the message ‘OBEY,OBEY, OBEY’!

    • tgusa Says:

      Observant muslims to American citizens; We are going to kill you.
      US guvmint to American citizens; we will imprison you if you begin to notice that muslims want you dead.

      US leadership has made a mess of the country and the world. As the primary driver of western policy since the Second World War American leadership must be held accountable for the state of our nation and the state of our world. American leadership has made it so we citizens cannot go anywhere in the world without eyes in the back of our head. They can, but not without tank columns made up to look like ordinary cars, trucks or busses. Oh I understand that they didn’t create the underlying hateful philosophies that exist but they have been instrumental in perpetuating the hate. I think I would rather be imprisoned than become an enabler. And now they say they won’t imprison us as long as we play their game. We’re already there.

      “If there’s somethin’ strange in your neighborhood
      Who ya gonna call (ghostbusters)
      If it’s somethin’ weird an it won’t look good
      Who ya gonna call (ghostbusters)”.

      I ain’t fraid a no ghost!

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